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View File C-GJCB Hot Start Challenger 650 This is a livery for the Hot Start Challenger 650. To install, extract the zip file into the "liveries" folder. You can supply your own registration, C-GJCB is not printed on the cowlings. If you enjoy my work, consider supporting me on Patreon to cover some of the horrendous Adobe-costs ;). You can find 8K versions of the liveries there. Submitter pilotdeviation Submitted 07/23/2025 Category Hot Start Challenger 650  

Sorry I didn't see this thread until now, but when the TDS was first released for XP I made this plugin that tricks the MU-2 into thinking RXP is present and loads the TDS. Fake RXP.zip

Hi, Apologies for the delay in replying. I have done some extensive tests, and the following are my observations. Sounds: * I checked my sliders in X-Plane - all maxed. I discovered my headset was set as system COMMUNICATION DEVICE, and not HEADPHONES. This seemed to make a minor difference in quality due to the max bitrate of the output. * Nose gear RETRACT sound - this only plays ONCE! Once you have taken off and retracted the gear, it NEVER plays again unless you land, AND THE NOSEWHEEL TOUCHES THE GROUND. I'm assuming there is some air/ground logic tied to the nosegear, and for some reason the gear retract audio is dependent upon the aircraft having been on the ground. You can replicate this by flying around and just cycling the gear. Extension plays always; retraction only plays on the first retract cycle since being on the ground. * AP disconnect sound is practically inaudible, even with headphone volume turned up and being deafened by the engine noise. * Wind noise is extremely quiet if it is present. I flew at 300 kts and couldn't discern any difference in noise. DME: * DME speed and time display - this is bugged. It works as expected as long as the aircraft trajectory is in the 180 cone flying AWAY from the station. As soon as the aircraft has any closure rate with the station, the DME speed/time reads zero (e.g., flying directly towards the station still reads zero). Flight Director/Autopilot: * HDH mode - I checked real-world docs, and it should roll to wings level THEN hold whatever heading it is flying the moment it reaches wings level. It is NOT a simple wing-leveler; if the aircraft is disturbed after this point, it will roll back to the heading it was on. The bug is that it is capturing the heading at whatever moment ANY flight director or AP mode is engaged. This is the part that is not correct. For the avoidance of doubt, the sequence of events for HDH mode is thus: * HDH mode (e.g., all FD and AP modes DISABLED). * Aircraft is flown with e.g., a 20 degree left bank * AP is engaged. * ALT HLD engages, and HDH becomes the active roll mode * Aircraft at moment of activation is passing 210 degrees heading * Aircraft should roll to wings level, at say 200 degrees heading * HDH should enter heading-hold submode at wings-level on 200 degrees, and not any other heading that was present prior to this. HDH mode should "forget" the heading it was on when the AP is disengaged. Upon being re-engaged, it will again roll wings level ONLY, and THEN hold whatever heading it is on at that moment. The roll knob will operate as it currently does as this is correct. Confirmed working as you describe: * GPU generator (seems the default setting of 800 A is already sufficient to prevent volt drop during start) * Battery overheat * Engine fan - I compared this to several videos on YT (yes, I'm aware of the problems of sound recording and YT compression), and it sounds very similar.

Ok thanks for that, saves me researching it further. Seems a shame there is definitely an editable BOW. And there so much detail and so many features in the amazing CL650 I just thought maybe it edits the config. Ultimately depending on the customers specs the Challengers would come out of the factory within a certain weight bracket but not every aircraft will have exactly the same BOW. And during the service life of the aircraft any retro fitting of equipment would require re weighing the aircraft and updating the BOW. But thank you for the information

I lost my faith in this XP12 project ...

It isn't currently planned, but I agree it's a nice add. I'll file it with the RSG team to consider.

Claiming something was the assumed goal is your own made up conspiracy, and a completely wrong one at that.

I am fine with the reg number and link to a livery. Felis 747 has a "livery.cfg inside the livery folder and inside the cfg file you store: "tailnumber=N809MC" for example. So here it could be = "D-ADIG" for Air Berlin and DBA.

okay thx for response i very appreciate that

Yes, everything works now. Thank you very much for your speed and helpfulness :-)Amazing aircraft. Have a nice day Gabriel

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This error would be your internet timing out during the download process.

For what it's worth I did manage to find it - abus/CL650/ARINC429/FDCU-1/words/FCC/0/IAS_REF . It's set to 1 when Mach is used and 0 if IAS/kts.

DH altitude alert will be in next update Engine fan at TO thrust I have sound for this on my side, check your sound sliders in X-Plane? No gear noise from retract/extend see above Wind noise seems to be lacking (it sounds the same at 250 kts as sat not moving) see above AP disconnect sound is extremely quiet see above Battery overheat test doesn't work this was only a thing for very early CJs before their batteries got replaced. This test doesn't do anything anymore, as with the real aircraft. HDH mode (heading hold?) doesn't work as expected. Expected behavior: capture heading at moment of AP engagement check your turn knob, this behavior is working on my end DME speed and time stops working and displays zero, or constantly counts from zero to the value then resets to zero this is based on radio reception. Are you on the ground when this occurs? DME speed and time sometimes only reads zero regardless of changing frequencies, etc. see above Some switch have the wrong number of positions (e.g. some 2-position switches have 3 positions) what switches? After the first engine start, BOTH start lights illuminate with second engine start this is expected behavior for the aircraft. The second engine uses the first engine to start, and is indicated in this fashion. Engine spool time/EGT peak is unaffected by battery health this is something on the list we are looking to see if we can modify the XP engine model to be affected by GPU start current limiter has no effect voltage should droop considerably when under the current limit

This is an odd one. Xplane ATC does not recognize the changes in radio frequency. If you change the freq using ATC menu. it does not change the freq on 737. Though if i tune radios to ATC it can hear ATIS etc. Works fine with other planes. Log.txt

I could not for the life of me find them. Now I have. I am an idiot sandwich

THANK YOU!

I am finding that everything is over saturated in XP12 at night. Anything I can do?

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Cameron's usual rude vague response.

I have the same issue. The turbo Islander loads and then crashes XP12 after the plane is loaded and activated. I have 4 versions of xp12 on two different machines. All with realityxp which worked fine in the islander with earlier versions of XP12. have also installed tdssim gtn on 2 versions and wprks fine with citation and cirrus entegra but Islander still crashes with the same ending in the log file that stevebker had.

I used to fly these with the classic radio suite, No GPS, an outdated database in the FMC, a paper chart on my lap and the owner serving me pepsi and peanuts. Good old days. Will buy this for sure! Nice work!

@gemster18 I understand your frustration regarding the TBM 900 not yet being updated for X-Plane 12 compatibility while other aircraft, like the IXEG 737-300, have already been updated. The teams that work on these products are different people. As has been previously mentioned here, the TBM team (Hot Start) is actively working on a TBM update that has proved to be a major challenge, and ultimately a big re-work of how the product is done. Each aircraft presents unique challenges during the update process, and our goal is to deliver a stable and high-quality product that meets our standards and your expectations. We appreciate your patience as we continue to work on the X-Plane 12 TBM 900 version. We value your feedback and are committed to providing the best possible experience for our customers.

Good afternoon, Is there any ETA for the next update? It’s been 9 months since the release, and it seems like the company is dead. This forum seems dead too... no one says anything, no one from the team speaks. Sorry, but this is quite frustrating and a bit infuriating as well. The 733 is full of problems in VNAV, FMC, etc. Some flights are satisfactory and the aircraft does its job perfectly, but in others (and these others are the vast majority) the aircraft simply does what it wants. Most of the time, it’s almost impossible to control the speed of the plane and get it on the ideal glide slope during final approach. Not to mention the aircraft sounds, which are terrible, and it’s almost impossible to adjust the volume of each thing (this is surreal). It’s not possible that in 9 months there hasn’t been anything to release or at least some information from the IXEG team. Practically all the aircraft manufacturers for X-Plane have already released several updates fixing numerous bugs, and IXEG remains with the same aircraft since the day of release. This wouldn’t even be a problem if at least the company gave some sort of explanation to those who bought the aircraft (which is far from being a cheap addon). Best regards and peace.

@spearlman It works; in my case (I'm using the beta v1.8-beta42), I had to exclude 3 datarefs: CL650/glass/heat_on CL650/avatar/laser_pointer_lamp CL650/avatar_self/laser_pointer_lamp Thanks again for this tip :-)

@CJSouthernWe can appreciate the eagerness in getting the TBM into XP12 ASAP, but even if some kind of gofundme was started, it wouldn't make things progress any faster. We get these kinds of comments in our discord, as well. There are some elements of the TBM update, that are not in the XP11 version of the update, that are taking up the bulk of the time needed to get things done right. What I can tell you is that a lot of progress has been made. A big part of the update, libturbine, is still in the works.

@InitiatedAunt74 currently the only way to get the Gizmo plugin is if you own any X-Aviation product. Uh wait what? I thought Gizmo was available for, and required by a variety of freeware aircraft including the PIAGGIO P180_Avanti_II from this forum's downloads section. There's a website with a broken dropbox link, but this Gizmo thing, which is uniquely associated with x-pilot and x-aviation is now abandonware that can't be downloaded anywhere? >Gizmo64 is a plugin for the X-Plane flight simulator that lets you program in Lua Script. So, now, besides not being available for Linux, which is one of the three platforms that XPlane users use, we have the issue that it's basically not possible to get this and use it for aircraft developers, or people using things that rely on it? Shouldn't the gizmo64.com website be downed then? Other references on other forums point to this being used by other commercial and freeware products.

It turns out that for the Piaggio specifically, it includes a subdirectory with a zip file inside that includes the runtime files needed to install in your primary X-Plane plugins folder. Isn't that hilarious? The author of the Piaggio stated that it wasn't there, but I was looking around, and it's there. Anyways, my complaint was not that I can't have a free aircraft (WAH! POOR ME!) my complaint is that I'm a new X-Plane aircraft maker of freeware aircraft and wanted to evaluate this thing to see if I want to use it. We had been discussing SASL versus GIZMO over on .org's plane maker sub forum. But I'm distinctly displeased not only with Ben's attitude towards me, but also the way he treats other people on threads on these forums. It seems to me that Gizmo is a one man show, and I'm not a big fan of that one man's attitude or vibe. You remember that kid who wants to take his marbles and go home, when you were in grade three. Yeah that. The Piaggio is a great draw to the X-Pilot site as it's literally one of the nicest freeware aircraft out there for X-Plane. However, I do not much like the Gizmo process of being a main-XPlane-resources folder plugin, I would much rather it be a per aircraft plugin, but perhaps that's not possible. Whatever, it works. Strike two is lack of Linux support, as I want to provide all three. Strike three, is it seems that freeware use is probably not a great idea, as the focus seems to be for payware authors, and if you want to use it, you use it at Ben's discretion and if and only if he says so, which seems like not a great fit if being thought of as an alternative to SASL, which it's basically not.

Wow, that was rude. Are you always this testy Ben?

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Maybe it's your entitled attitude that should be downed. Gizmo is alive and well. You, wanting a free lunch, will have to wait your turn. I owe you exactly nothing.

I can't help the dissapointed. There is a quite well known phrase, "Disappointment is the difference between expectations and reality". We have tried to be as forthcoming as possible with setting expectations by telling folks it will take the majority of this year getting converted to FMOD and improving the FMS....but beyond that, there are also very big changes necessary 'under the hood'....big and time-consuming. Folks think that its always 'evolution'....just incremental work, but with tech, eventually the patches get too heavy. There is a very major overhaul of the "black box" bits to ensure future compatibility and the IXEG's continued existence....a rewriting of nearly 70,000 lines of code in a new language (that took 3 years to write originally) , stuff you won't see but I have to do to keep the IXEG compatible for the future. Guess what...its going to be silent for even longer while I work on the FMOD and code refactoring / FMS. Settle in...enjoy some other wonderful products for X-Plane, but know that it is not abandonware....and we won't be charging for updates for years to come probably. -tk

Great!