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This needs to be the definite statement by IXEG as to what is "close to release"....so spread the word far and wide when folks ask! When using the word "close", you really must clarify further the relative relationship of the items described to be close. In the case of our 737, there really are two contexts in which to think of "close". We could say that: 1.) We are close to having all the features in that we want in for V1.0 2.) We are close to the release date These are NOT the same. For example, If I put 1,000,000 needles in a haystack with 10,000,000 hay needles, you will find a lot very quickly. As you get "close" to finding the last one, the time to find said last one may drag out significantly.....but you are indeed "close" to finding them all. As soon as you find the last needle, you are done. If its sooner rather than later, then you are simply done earlier. IXEG is close to "having all the features in that we want for V1.0" We are bug chasing...and we are very good at it. We are ensuring we do not have bugs that have plagued other products...we are looking far, wide and very deep for bugs in our FMS to have the greatest possible reliability when releasing. That is what we all want...that is what we have all been waiting for...that is why our team is doing it! There is a generalization that if you are "close" to finishing the feature list, then you are close to releasing...but you cannot relate the two directly. We know that as soon as we are happy with these last few features stability, we will release. could be 3 weeks, could be another 5-7, could be more......what we can tell you is that we are working very aggressively to be satisfied with the completion of our V1.0 features list and we are close to having all those features implemented. I assure you, getting it right is much more paramount than getting it out 4 weeks sooner. We are after a feature list here, not a time-frame. Take solace in knowing that we are close to having the feature list complete and quit bitching about the time frame. Relatively speaking, we're in a good spot now and kudos to those who understand and awaiting patiently, you will be rewarded! -tkyler

I'm totally on your side and I don't care when it's going to be released. But if you sort of set a deadline on multiple ocasions (the end of 2015 was the deadline most Forum users were expecting), only using the word "close" for weeks and weeks after not meeting that line shouldn't make you wonder about people "bitching" to find out when it's finally going to be released.

If you look carefully and objectively, you'll see that no-one's really bitching about the time frame or having to wait for the product specifically. No-one's questioning your ability to bug chase or your skills in developing a fantastic product. No one's questioning the hard work and dedication that has been invested. If that was the case, there wouldn't be this much interest and buzz over what will obviously be a game changing product. But, whether you like it or not, the time frame questions (and they have only really been just polite questions) are evidence that you have probably mismanaged the expectations of your target market with the wording and timing of communications. How do you think your potential customers feel when you tell them to "stop bitching" as a result? It sounds like you are reprimanding users for not understanding your definition of the word "close". The thing is, you always know what you mean, and your way of expressing it seems clear to you, because you understand yourself perfectly. So when there's a breakdown, it always feels like the other guy's fault. Communication problems are only partially based on "bad communication skills" too. They are even more based on each participant having different starting information (with each being unaware that the other person doesn't share his information) and differing context or frameworks, e.g. one person thinks they're talking about "a few weeks" and the other thinks they're talking about all the component parts in the "needle and haystack" analogy. This is just feedback, not a debate. All the best with this product. I'm sure it will be a real success.

Thx wiloghby, your words are encouraging. Indeed, a thorough FMS is a challenging beast. I have to admit, I was quite intimidated by it, but here towards the end, finally have a good feel for it. A friend of mind has a great saying that true success is a combination of 3 things: 1.) Passion 2.) Ability and 3.) Opportunity....and furthermore, you only have access to 2 at a time and have to expend time to get the 3rd to align. We've taken a decent amount of flak by 'trolls' over time, but I can tell you I lose no sleep at night knowing those guys certainly aren't going to get us a solid FMS/airliner for x-plane....so we keep going no matter the flak. We stick with the goal, keep eyes on the prize and get it done right....and a year or 2 after its done right, nobody will care about the release time-frame. I'm totally committed to ensuring we have a 5 year viability minimum. We will keep pushing! Thanks for the support. -tkyler

I for one, feel quite delighted.

I think that it may not have been the perfect management of potential customer's expectations at the end of last year. Maybe a short - sorry guys, we screwed up - would have been a better way to deal with it. Anyway, I clearly see how much pressure is on the team and I perfectly understand that it must be hard to manage their own expectations in order to keep them going. The last months must have been terribly difficult in this regard - so I have abolutely no hard feelings. Sad to see how so many get upset by this. Boy, I can't even get my kids dressed in time for kindergarten (the second hardest thing in the world after coding a FMS). Fingers crossed for finding the last needle soon. Flo

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Hello, first sorry for my english, for me I can say that I was very sad that it comes not out in late 2015 but I understand the statement. I think many people waiting patiently.do not fret about the negative posts. I think the most people are waiting and not write in this forum. best regards Chris

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With all due respect, we have been extremely communicative with everyone throughout these entire threads (over 1,800 posts worth). The fact you are honing in on something to do with a release date is sensibly shortsighted. It most certainly is in the context of how this thread was initiated. Having been in this market since 2008, and running a full fledged business in that time surrounding around the X-Plane market only, we're doing just fine and you're really not in a position to make such suggestions. This entire team has dedicated a rather insane amount of time attempting to bring a big product to market. Respect can go both ways, sir. I suggest you consider that when you interpret and write. You are getting offended over statements that don't align with what you want to hear. You want a release date, we don't have one to offer. Respect the answer and move along. This isn't a venue for you to prance in here pushing people around and playing "whoa is me" when you get responded to in kind. If you want to be treated with respect, then come in here and treat those you want respect FROM with respect. This topic has had its time, and there's really nothing more productive that can be said at this point besides a downward spiral. Topic closed.

Thanks for the update. I posted the "where for art thou" post at the weekend. I didnt do it to provoke anyone into moaning i was just generally curious. I get your point you will never be bug free or it will take an age to get there but when you release a software product there has to be a ground on which some bugs can be shippable. I find it being like falling down the rabbit hole and sometimes all your doing is bug fixing. Everything more or less has a knock on effect for software and it is a complete bitch at times. But i get what you mean having this forum here helps potential customers to start reading more and interacting as a community but it must be a good pat on the back and motivator reading all the good things people have to say and they havent even bought it yet. Cant wait for the release can you do it at a weekend please so i can use it without losing jobs lol

I can think of a couple of other product releases from last year where a "sorry guys we screwed up" apology was definitely called for. People paid good money for bad products.

I have not personally checked this one out for the moment, so can't say. My experience thus far has been airline operating manuals and the Mike Ray book.

Only if tkyler could write code as fast as he typing in the forums. I.e., it would be interesting to compare the number of lines/letters of code with the amount typed in the forums! Keep up the good work, and I really looking forward for a release next week! And please can someone slap me in the face stopping me to be sarcastic? PS. I know the hard work behind coding, I've been working on splines mathematically (calculating radius, distance, and direction at point T, aswell as cutting them in two parts and so on) and then connecting them in a user editor. Damn, in mind it was very easy, but coding it, it was heck of a job and it took long time to get it right. And I only finished per mille of my vision. Next step seems to be worse... .DS

Yep, thats how my instructors tried to justify it as well ... some people said that Airbus picked design choices opposite to Boeing´s to both establish themselves as "nouvelle", and also to avoid lawsuits. No idea if that is true. Jan

Those up and down arrows can be found on an MD-11 as well. My reasoning was that you can imagine the flight plan as being written on a paper and you move a paper up to see what's bellow. So here you have it .

no worries Daniel, it was your frank perspective, not aggressive to me at all given my framework. I really do totally agree with your commentary....communication can be a precarious thing and I'm quite intrigued by the philosophy of it all. Most of us here just enjoy conversation of any type....I really do like to chat with folks and I, by no means, believe I'll really change anyones mind, just too many people but frankly, I like the diversity. ....and I have opened my big mouth more than once. Overall, this is a good getaway from coding though, after a few hours I'll say to myself, "self...see what's going on in the forums"....then type and run Back to the keyboard -tkyler

Yes, we have this covered and do find bugs by going about things in the non-conventional airliner pilot way.

And if we split the difference (couper la poire en deux mais je sais pas si ca se traduit vraiment en anglais ) An 300 with (strange) FMS & an EFIS in center and classical gauges. Question: what is the light in the VS gauge in 1.43?

@kielsf4 I don't think that's what Tom is referring to. There's no wonder about why people are/have asked. The recent closed thread about a release timeline shows perfectly what Tom means. People will receive an answer they may not like (as in, no release time to announce) and go nutty in following posts trying to tell how it should be. It's the sense of entitlement from that point forward where "bitching" comes in. In the end, IXEG and X-Aviation are in a business. Money comes from that, and that results in two things that should be obvious to folks that somehow isn't: 1. We want this out more than you guys do. 5 years is a long time of devotion, and we want to see the reward. 2. We owe it to our customers to put out a product that does not fail, and to earn thier trust by doing so. Exchanging money is a funny thing, and taking it for something not yet finished is really unacceptable. Rushing it out the door is going to do us more harm than good. From OUR side of the fence, it's frustrating to see folks react in the manner which some have. Definitely not all (or near it), but enough to flare some frustration.

Flew Pedro's awesome Twin out of Molokai on a short hop to Lanai. Not too short when you're on such a slow plane in bumpy weather.

No Zimbabwean Dollars!

Ah, good And I don't mind seeing them from outside, as I will be on the left seat in this plane anyway... Bassy regards Benjamin

This has been done with UFMC and X-FMC. And anyone who relies on using these implementations instead of the appropriate, specific flight management system for whatever plane they are flying knows how unsatisfying it is. At the end of the day, someone has to put in the work to model the automation in each plane accurately if they want to charge $50 or $60 for a plane. BUT, if you are a developer, your best bet to cash in is to pick a plane that is so old it doesn't have an FMS in the first place so you don't have to bother, and then claim a perfect systems simulation just 1 or 2 years later and release it. AND charge the same $50 or $60 that fools who picked the "hard planes" to develop happen to be charging. Developers who don't have the capacity or desire to do the FMS work that IXEG is doing at this time will just keep releasing old school models without any modern FMS. It's not a coincidence that the 727 and 737-200 were modeled pretty accurately, but that FJS has stated "no intention" of doing an aircraft with an FMS anytime soon. He saves a lot of time and money, and certainly it's his prerogative to develop whatever planes he wants or doesn't want to. He's one guy. He can only do so much. It's not a coincidence that PMDG's first product for X-Plane is the DC-6 either. All the modern planes with GOOD implementations of FMS involve the work of the *SAME* 1 or 2 people at this time... one cracked it for Airbus, one cracked it for non-Airbus. Think about how difficult and valuable a good FMS must be if only 1 or 2 people in our community TOTAL thusfar have cracked the code. Instead, for the benefit of the most accurate models and for an incentive to develop the deepest systems, I think there should be a much bigger retail price gap between the devs who go the extra mile to simulate a fully working, airplane-specific FMS and those who don't. Say, $80 vs $40. Or $30 vs $60. The FMS programming is the part of the project with the potential to add the most value. It's no coincidence that, up until this IXEG 737 is released, only 2 other people have coded what even resembles an accurate FMS for a modern plane. We should all be thankful IXEG is going the path less traveled, and we should be thrilled to pay a premium for that on this and future projects of similar scope and ambition.

This is what I will be flying the IXEG 733 in when it is released. Had a blast today and tonight on PilotEdge with my kids in my little 737-200 Sim. The approach into Vegas looked pretty darn real if you ask me. I made a comment jokingly on final that the controller dumped me into the approach to high hence the sink rate sink rate on approach LOL Thanks for another great day of flying on PilotEdge with my kids. My daughter was my co-pilot and my son recording. Enjoy the video, lots of cool action and radio chatter. Rob https://youtu.be/dJwXRpJ_9lU

I'd like to see some shots where the weather is significantly different in the sectors that are nearly adjacent to each other. For instance..it isn't unusual to be flying along over a stratus layer and have wide areas of clear skies. While I'm excited about the prospect of not having weather conditions "snap" based on singular METARs, the screens thus far aren't really super impressive if I'm to be honest. I'd also like to see how the new system handles METARs with TR and TR+ and R+ readings..will we get rain shafts and/or reduced visibility through the sector being read? And finally..for low level flight..will the more rapid changing of sectors mean that flying along in a light aircraft you will be likely to run into rapid and abrupt changes in wind direction as you change METAR areas quickly..since winds can be quite different in velocity and direction at each METAR station.. Just a few questions - and looking forward to seeing and reading more about this nice development. BeachAV8R

Gabriel, Ben is just messing with you so need to get snippy with how long it takes a developer to make an add on. If Michael Chang takes 3-4 years to make a 787, then good for him. We're not really competing with anyone else when it comes to how fast we make add ons. We make them at our own pace and we want to make them properly. To answer your questions, we don't know when the 747 will be finished. But it's safe to say it won't be out until after XP 11 is out. Goran

Actually Flo, I myself don't believe this is the case on the larger scale. As an engineer, I'm kind of a numbers/statistics guy and I am always 'arguing' with the team and others that the forums here aren't necessarily representative of the overall population. We just tend to be the most vocal ones and part of what I call "forum culture"....so perhaps within the context of the forums it would seem a lot get upset, but I'd bet if you rounded up all the users with 'negative commentary as to the time frame', maybe you'll find 20? 30? a few more or less... out of probably 1000s of customers? I believe most folks get it...we all do work of some kind, we all have someone else to give account to, we all feel pressure from somewhere and we all fumble around at one time or another. Life goes on...for me anyhow I relish the journey, good and bad. -tkyler

I disagree with this statement Daniel, though my framework is probably different. I do generally agree with most of your post but it doesn't really change my framework any. -tkyler

My response was in no way rude. You are interpreting it that way. It is your prerogative to not choose to purchase this product, and we respect your decision not to should you come to that conclusion over silly banter on when a release time will be had. Either way, enjoy your flights in X-Plane, no matter the aircraft you choose to do them in!

Truthful response; poor only because you don't personally like the answer.

So you are a serious pilot when you spend 100% of your time in the sim? I would say you are more fck up than serious if so..

when it`s ready... another 5 years........

This is a communication channel that you have chosen to publicly interact with your potential customers. Suggest you don't refer to it as banter. If you want the past 5 years of development to be commercially rewarding, you should probably learn some marketing, communications and customer service skills to go with that very obvious talent for developing a great product.

Ah OK you're just rude...I get it. Zero customer service awareness. I won't be buying this product based on your attitude alone.

Poor response. It was a reasonable question given that you have created a buzz and timeline expectation with all the videos and "getting close" announcement. These are your prospective customers after all.