TBM 900 Compatibility with X-Plane 12

[CJSouthern]

On 8/16/2024 at 11:13 PM, Flightrookie said:

Oh guys, this is a tough test.
But I haven't lost hope yet.

Greetings

I have, unfortunately. XP11 is too long in the tooth for me now and - despite looking - I just can't find ANY other plane that appeals to me; I'd rather stick pins in my eyeballs than fly heavy jets - and available GA aircraft are either ridiculously slow or ridiculously badly designed.

So at this point I've just given up simming and am using the time to get some hiking in which - truth be told - is probably better for my 63 year old health anyway ...

I appreciate that the TBM authors also have other priorities, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in the time it's taking; I'm wanting results, not explanations. I'd happily buy it again if it sped the process up.

[SHaines]

@cameron

I much appreciate your comment posted in June and understand that one must be patient for a product as detailed and complex as the TBM 900. I, like many others, am looking forward to the announcement that an XP12 version of this incredible aircraft is finally available. If there is an upgrade cost, so be it. I just hope it's soon. —SHaines

[Muddie2202]

@Cameron

Are you able to provide any update since the last message in June.

 

[Matchstick]

On 8/26/2024 at 9:33 PM, SHaines said:

@cameron

I much appreciate your comment posted in June and understand that one must be patient for a product as detailed and complex as the TBM 900. I, like many others, am looking forward to the announcement that an XP12 version of this incredible aircraft is finally available. If there is an upgrade cost, so be it. I just hope it's soon. —SHaines

I'm not expect anything soon including information on how the development is going

[ssalis]

I can only join all the other passionate simmers here:  please try to do your best to release the XP12 version of our neloved TBM 900 as soon as possible. 
No other plane gives the same satisfaction. I say this as a real life pilot!  We’ll pay the right amount. 

[CJSouthern]

Let's all not forget to wish X-Plane 12 a happy 2nd birthday next month.

I'm looking forward to using it (if there's ever a compatible TBM aircraft released for it).

Please Santa - I've been a good boy for the past 2 years.

[Muddie2202]

On 11/9/2024 at 6:26 AM, CJSouthern said:

Let's all not forget to wish X-Plane 12 a happy 2nd birthday next month.

I'm looking forward to using it (if there's ever a compatible TBM aircraft released for it).

Please Santa - I've been a good boy for the past 2 years.

I have noticed that there has not been any replies to the questions that have been raised in this forum off late ??

Edited November 12 by Muddie2202

[CJSouthern]

1 hour ago, Muddie2202 said:

I have noticed that there has not been any replies to the questions that have been raised in this forum off late ??

From my perspective, when the TBM was the flagship product things were much different; once the Challenger 650 took over pride-of-place, the TBM appears to be "out of sight, out of mind, and out of favour".

I can't speak for others, but I personally have no interest in heavy metal - no interest in poor-quality simulations - no interest in low-performance GA aircraft - and absolutely zero interest in games like MSFS; so for me, it's not a case of "the TBM 900 being my favourite aircraft" as it is "the TBM 900 was the ONLY aircraft I enjoyed flying"; but under XP11 that experience now feels extremely dated. I also have XP12 but never use it because it doesn't have the TBM.

So at present I just don't fly sims anymore; it's got to that point for me - which is why I'm getting thoroughly disheartened at never hearing more than "yes we're going to adapt it. No we can't/won't give you a time frame"; we've had that for almost 2 years now - and nothing to suggest that we won't still be hearing the same after 3, 4, and 5 years.

I know that having to re-write the turbine library isn't a trivial task, but it needs to be given a higher priority and more resources; I for one would be more than happy to pay full price again for a XP12 compatible model. We've been patient - we've put our thoughts and feelings as diplomatically as possible - but at the end of the day we're powerless and at their mercy. At this point, for me, it's gone beyond disappointing into just damn depressing. Sigh. I'm feeling very let down; it's like having a missing pet and not knowing if you'll ever see them alive again.

[SHaines]

@Cameron

Hey there Cameron. It's been a while since our last exchange. I read your note regarding the TBM 900 and appreciate what you said. Indeed, quality and accuracy are critical ingredients in a project as complex as the TBM. If the XP11 version is any guide I am certain the XP12 version will be terrific and well worth the wait. Take your time and do it right. And let us know the minute it's available  — Steve H

[Cameron]

15 hours ago, CJSouthern said:

From my perspective, when the TBM was the flagship product things were much different; once the Challenger 650 took over pride-of-place, the TBM appears to be "out of sight, out of mind, and out of favour".

While that may be your perspective, it's not reality.

15 hours ago, CJSouthern said:

I know that having to re-write the turbine library isn't a trivial task, but it needs to be given a higher priority and more resources

I don't know what higher priority it can be given. It's literally being worked on every day. You just don't seem to grasp how big a project these products can be, and as I've previously stated, this update is very extensive in code change.

15 hours ago, CJSouthern said:

it's like having a missing pet and not knowing if you'll ever see them alive again.

The day will come it will be seen again.

[CJSouthern]

1 hour ago, Cameron said:

The day will come it will be seen again.

In all seriousness, after waiting almost 2 years, I'd be happier if I just knew what year it will be seen again. 2024 is almost over; what are the chances that I'll see it in 2025? (I'm an old man now and I don't have too many more years left).

 

[Matchstick]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:34 PM, CJSouthern said:

In all seriousness, after waiting almost 2 years, I'd be happier if I just knew what year it will be seen again. 2024 is almost over; what are the chances that I'll see it in 2025? (I'm an old man now and I don't have too many more years left).

 

I don't even really want a year, I'd just like an open discussion of what the current state of the model is, which milestones have been hit, which haven't and what the roadmap is.

But the devs seem extremely resistant to providing that.

[CJSouthern]

3 hours ago, Matchstick said:

I don't even really want a year, I'd just like an open discussion of what the current state of the model is, which milestones have been hit, which haven't and what the roadmap is.

But the devs seem extremely resistant to providing that.

Reading "between the lines" I suspect what everyone would like is simply a projection of when - at the current rate of progress - we're likely to see some results. Open-ended timeframes that go on for this long with no end in sight don't cut it IMHO - they're just demoralising; to me they feel like a lazy, arrogant response. I don't need an exact date - I'm not going to "hold" anyone to it.

Communication is key; things happen - I get that (I run a small company too). As their customer, what I would appreciate is something along the lines of "Sorry about this chaps - we didn't think it would take this long, but we've come up against "this, this, and this" challenges, and to overcome them we're doing "this, this, and this, which we anticipate will take us about "xx" months to solve at this time". If the goalposts have to be subsequently moved that's fine - just keep us updated.

The current "strategy" is akin to treating me like a child. I'm not a child. One thing that I can say with certainty is that if I treated my customers with this little respect then I wouldn't have any left.

 

[Cameron]

We deeply value your enthusiasm for our upcoming project and understand the eagerness for updates. We want to assure you that we’re committed to sharing news when we feel we have meaningful and exciting progress to report - something worth your time and interest.

Each development team has its own approach, and for us, this process is a labor of love. Great things take time, and ensuring the highest quality often requires patience. Over the years, we’ve learned from experience (both ours and others) that sharing tentative dates or updates prematurely often leads to misunderstandings and misplaced expectations. For this reason, we’ve adopted a more measured approach, focusing on progress behind the scenes until we’re closer to the finish line.

We recognize this approach may not align with everyone’s preference for frequent updates, but we believe it’s the best way to ensure we deliver a product we’re proud of, without the pressure that can sometimes detract from creativity and quality.

Rest assured, updates will come, but only when the time is right and not out of external pressure, and because we’re confident we have something truly worthwhile to share. We appreciate your patience and understanding as we continue to work diligently.

Thank you for your support and trust in what we’re building. The TBM is a fun plane, and we're looking forward to the finish line.

[CJSouthern]

Translation: "Lot's of 'PR speak' but we're not yet even at a point where progress is worthy of an update".

That's depressing, but somehow not surprising.

What an appalling way to treat customers.

I'm out.

Unsubscribing & (probably) selling up.

/DoneWithThis Nonsense

 

[Cameron]

Sorry you're disappointed, @CJSouthern. Your "translation" is rather harsh and exaggerative considering we've already established our version of what's worthy of a news update vs. yours is far off, but okay.

It does remind me a bit of the kindergarten school kids who kick, scream and cry if they can't get their way, which is unfortunate coming from an "old man" as you've labeled yourself.

All the best to you in whatever you choose to do going forward!

[ecallr]

Honestly, I bought the plane at xp11 because it said that its upgrade would be free for xp12. I've flown it quite a bit on XP11 but since xp12 came out, unfortunately, I can't enjoy it anymore, I'm still waiting but now it's taken me to other planes that fly magnificently well. At least I read that it's still alive in xp12 although we don't know when.