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I would like to chime in here - I have worked with Tom on this over the last week intensively - previously I had test flown the 737 in XP12 (after we fixed the major roadblocks of even getting if flyable, like making the flaps work, etc.) and I had tuned the flight model. Tom worked hard on 3D modeling over the last months with little for me to do (I am too stupid for blender and those things) and now with him approaching the end of that work, I dove back into flight and system testing. The more I test, the more stuff shows up that does not work anymore, because Laminar changed things - and these changes are all improvements in modeling systems, yet they still leave our "old" way of doing/overriding them unusable. So in a very real way we have to redo a lot of the things we already did for XP11, it is not a quick conversion at all - and this is something we definitely underestimated when we initially said to "upgrade to XP12 for free". The move from XP11 to XP12 is not an upgrade, it is in many areas a repeat of the dev work work we already did for XP11. And I am thankful for most of our customers to be very understanding of the fact that we charge a small price to compensate us for this! I think the old 737-300 still has a lot of life in her, I thoroughly enjoy my "test flights" and find myself again and again to "just finish this approach" even though I was just testing some autopilot PID constant ... simply because it is fun to fly and looks great in XP12 . Cheers, Jan

I don't understand what people ar complaining about a $15 upgrade for...oh gee how will one ever survive?...ON a serious note though, I think people fail to realize that XP12 IS A DIFFERENT SIM... "back in the day" yes EVERYTHING was a free update..However let's all just take a look at what we have now vs 10 years ago. There's no comparison, the systems,modelling, flight dynamics, features, we're all getting things now that 10 years ago we could only dream of having. So for those like myself who've had this bird for several years...Pay the CHEAP upgrade price and keep on flying! I promise...it's most likely going to be worth it...and a little secret...You'll probably forget about the $15 not even 15 minutes after purchasing the upgrade!

Preview of X-Plane's window icing effects, in case anybody hasn't seen it. This was my first time seeing it https://www.dropbox.com/s/o261awvzn9rotog/thermal_inertia_opt.mp4?dl=0 DISCLAIMER: This is Laminar's default window icing effect and in-sim developer tools....I'm only implementing it. They did a good job! It has been thought through fully. Without it, the IXEG 733 would have to be retired. You want some shock....ICON aircraft was 'selling' their aircraft at an estimated 140k about 5 years before it hit the market (and taking deposits against that estimate too)...it ended up hitting the market at over 350,000.00 (over 400k now maybe?) And their board of directors consisted of a prior Google CEO, Boeing executives, etc. The point is things change and you adapt as best as you can. We're not looking back, just forward. -tkyler

Confirming that worked. Thanks for the quick response!

Okay, I was able to replicate this and a re-compiled installer is now available. You can re-download that and it should work.

Hi Cameron, Windows 11 here. Jason

OK. So I may as well leave my XP11 version as is, and put 2.0.0 into 12. Thanks Cameron.

I run add-ons. However, I restrict them to those that have been tested and rated for XP12. There simply no way I could enjoy a vanilla sim. I enjoy my aircraft addons so I run Gizmo and other scripting add-ons as needed. I love my ortho, X-Camera, Traffic Global, Real Sim Gear 500, and other add-ons like the PilotEdge plugin and Xpilot for Vatsim. If any of these are causing an occasional CTD than the inconvenience is worth it. The only plugin that I know has caused CTDs so far is TG or Traffic Global. Then there's Spad.neXt for my external hardware. Making X-Plane as immersive as possible is almost a hobby within the hobby. For me, I couldn't imagine running XP12 out of the box with only the default aircraft. So I say, live and let live. We all have our own expectations for simming and mine doesn't invalidate anyone's expectations and vice-versa. I enjoy simming so much that I hang out in these forums and look for opportunities to share and give back.

Funny, I never had issues with CTDs (apart from those caused by third-party addons, or by segfaults I built into my own plugins ) since the first early access version of XP12. I was expecting a far worse experience in early access, but found that (vanilla) XP12 was pretty solid right from the beginning on. After 12.00 became final, I stopped hopping onto the betas though, since I need a halfway stable platform for my purposes. What I will never get: people are disappointed to experience crashes when they run add-ons explicitly marked as experimental (e.g. Zibo for XP12), and then blame the platform for the experienced issues. If you want a stable experience with XP12, then restrict your flying to aircraft which are marked final by their developers. If your favorite aircraft isn't yet out of beta for XP12, stick with XP11.

Agreed. I think our virtual hangers look alike. I have the same aircraft except for the FJS Q400 and the TB10 & 20. I can fly everyone of them OK but none of them well. My sim friends keep saying I should focus on 1 aircraft. It's people like me who devs love. I'm going to buy and fly it at least once. Sheesh! No wonder this hobby is expensive for me. Still looking forward to the IXEG 733 (new purchase) and the MU-2 Marquise (upgrade).