C525

[VirtualAviator]

I enjoyed the CitationMax Stream. Wish I had caught it in real-time.  The plane looks amazing, in and out.

 

[diamonddriller]

I saw most of the stream.  The plane looks a bit less complicated than Laminar's default Citation, and certainly easier than the 650!

As a Mac user, I will have the 530 on the panel.  Will we be able to set the NAV on the autopilot to follow a flight plan in that, or will this only work from the FMS?  Also, do they crossfill either way, or not at all?

 

[Cameron]

4 hours ago, diamonddriller said:

Will we be able to set the NAV on the autopilot to follow a flight plan in that, or will this only work from the FMS?  Also, do they crossfill either way, or not at all?

Select the CDI option on the GNS so it takes control of the nav radio channel, then select NAV1 as the nav source for the EHSI.

If X-Plane supports crossfill, then yes. Been too long since I've tried!

[diamonddriller]

"Select the CDI option on the GNS so it takes control of the nav radio channel, then select NAV1 as the nav source for the EHSI."

Yes, but will that follow a GPS output, which is not quite the same thing?  After all, quite a lot of routes are no longer based on VOR radials.  So, if I put (say) a TEC route in the 530, will the AP follow it if I don't use the FMS?

"If X-Plane supports crossfill, then yes. Been too long since I've tried!"

I frequently crosfill between two Garmins (530s or 530/430 or 430s), but I have no experience of crossfilling to a Garmin from the FPS.  I have no idea whether that works in other planes, as I've never tried it

Plane looks fabulous, and I look froward to the release!

[Cameron]

19 minutes ago, diamonddriller said:

I frequently crosfill between two Garmins (530s or 530/430 or 430s), but I have no experience of crossfilling to a Garmin from the FPS.

Ah, you were asking about UNS to Garmin XFill? No, not a thing.

19 minutes ago, diamonddriller said:

Yes, but will that follow a GPS output, which is not quite the same thing?  After all, quite a lot of routes are no longer based on VOR radials.  So, if I put (say) a TEC route in the 530, will the AP follow it if I don't use the FMS?

I thought you were asking about the GPS. Setting to the CDI on the GNS does not require an active VOR, so you lost me there.

[diamonddriller]

"I thought you were asking about the GPS. Setting to the CDI on the GNS does not require an active VOR, so you lost me there."

I'm really sorry if I was not clear.  If I just use the 530 to input my flight plan in the 525 (forget the FMS, say), and then I look at the HSI, if the GNS has VLOC set, the HSI will probably reference a VOR as tuned in the NAV part of the GNS, I suppose.  In some HSI's the needle goes green.  Some planes have a NAV/GPS switch on the panel, but that often (in X-Plane, usually!) just does the same thing as pressing the button on the 530 to switch to GPS.  What I was trying to get across was, if I switch the GNS to display GPS (which, again, in many later HSI's turns the needle to magenta), will that have the same effect - not necessarily with a colour change of the needle)?  Will the AP now be following the 530's GPS course?  As I saw the plane last night, the panel switch was for NAV/FMS, as I remember it, but had no refernce to the GPS installed (in that case, the TDS ones). 

So, in effect, the 530 will tune the radios (COM and NAV), and may affect the HSI in VLOC (?), but just be for situational awareness/decorationn as far as its GPS capabilities are concerned.  Or am I wrong? 

Thanks for looking at this.  I'll buy the 525 anyway

[Coop]

1 hour ago, diamonddriller said:

"I thought you were asking about the GPS. Setting to the CDI on the GNS does not require an active VOR, so you lost me there."

I'm really sorry if I was not clear.  If I just use the 530 to input my flight plan in the 525 (forget the FMS, say), and then I look at the HSI, if the GNS has VLOC set, the HSI will probably reference a VOR as tuned in the NAV part of the GNS, I suppose.  In some HSI's the needle goes green.  Some planes have a NAV/GPS switch on the panel, but that often (in X-Plane, usually!) just does the same thing as pressing the button on the 530 to switch to GPS.  What I was trying to get across was, if I switch the GNS to display GPS (which, again, in many later HSI's turns the needle to magenta), will that have the same effect - not necessarily with a colour change of the needle)?  Will the AP now be following the 530's GPS course?  As I saw the plane last night, the panel switch was for NAV/FMS, as I remember it, but had no refernce to the GPS installed (in that case, the TDS ones). 

So, in effect, the 530 will tune the radios (COM and NAV), and may affect the HSI in VLOC (?), but just be for situational awareness/decorationn as far as its GPS capabilities are concerned.  Or am I wrong? 

Thanks for looking at this.  I'll buy the 525 anyway

This I believe is the first X-Plane aircraft to model this behavior, but the short answer is yes. For the GPS-based radio configs, you pick the base source via the DC811 control panel, to pick either "NAV1", "NAV2" (toggled by pressing the "NAV" button), or "FMS" (by pressing the "FMS") button. NAV1/2 will follow whatever is being sent from the GNS/GTN. So if you want to fly GPS1, you would set NAV1 on the DC811 for the EHSI, and then by pressing the VLOC button select GPS on the GPS1 device. Press VLOC again to enter VLOC mode to fly the NAV1 radio. Same goes for NAV2/GPS2. 

[diamonddriller]

Thanks Coop and Cameron.  That's great.  That will make life a bit easier in many scenarios.  Looking forward to this

BTW, I had a minor problem with the HSI in the latest piston Islander(XP12, Intel iMac).  See the support note there.

[rangermax258]

Which version of the CitationJet 525 is it exactly? The first one or another version like the CJ1 ? 

Looking forward to fly it soon! 

 

[Pils]

1 hour ago, rangermax258 said:

Which version of the CitationJet 525 is it exactly? The first one or another version like the CJ1 ? 

Looking forward to fly it soon! 

 

I believe the first one, straight Model 525; MSN 001–359.

[rangermax258]

Perfect thank you! 

[364sim]

Good day, Just purchased the aircraft and it looks great. Although the aircraft does not show landing gear and the aircraft panel does not work. Please advise if I'm doing something wrong.

 

Thanks

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[Coop]

47 minutes ago, 364sim said:

Good day, Just purchased the aircraft and it looks great. Although the aircraft does not show landing gear and the aircraft panel does not work. Please advise if I'm doing something wrong.

 

Thanks

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Followed up over on your post on the support forum: 

 

[diamonddriller]

Bought it, installed it, and (to my delight) flew it on a short trip in Florida!   Didn't break anything, and (because I had seen the early streams) I got going quickly.   I didn't exactly follow a checklist - I didn't look at one! - but the annunciator panel stayed dark, so I obviously wasn't doing anything too terrible.  I even landed it nicely. I can't believe it!  Coop - you've done a great job!  I just used the 530s, so now I really need to study the right way to do things and get to grips with the FMS (eventually!).  It just flies so nicely.

[Coop]

1 minute ago, diamonddriller said:

Bought it, installed it, and (to my delight) flew it on a short trip in Florida!   Didn't break anything, and (because I had seen the early streams) I got going quickly.   I didn't exactly follow a checklist - I didn't look at one! - but the annunciator panel stayed dark, so I obviously wasn't doing anything too terrible.  I even landed it nicely. I can't believe it!  Coop - you've done a great job!  I just used the 530s, so now I really need to study the right way to do things and get to grips with the FMS (eventually!).  It just flies so nicely.

Glad you are enjoying it! This plane really is a joy to fly IMO so it is great to see others share that view

[VirtualAviator]

Coop,

Congratulations on the product launch. It's in my virtual hangar, and I look forward to flying it. If I may go off-topic for a moment, the only aircraft I have keeping me tied to Gizmo is the SR22 Integra. Now that the Citation Jet has launched, perhaps you might circle back to Gizmo issue with the Integra?

Thanks for all you do cause there's no way I could do it.

[Pils]

2 hours ago, VirtualAviator said:

Now that the Citation Jet has launched, perhaps you might circle back to Gizmo issue with the Integra?

Everyone will get their turn in time.

[Coop]

4 hours ago, VirtualAviator said:

Coop,

Congratulations on the product launch. It's in my virtual hangar, and I look forward to flying it. If I may go off-topic for a moment, the only aircraft I have keeping me tied to Gizmo is the SR22 Integra. Now that the Citation Jet has launched, perhaps you might circle back to Gizmo issue with the Integra?

Thanks for all you do cause there's no way I could do it.

Very soon (aka its already with Cam and pretty much ready to go  )

[smcross90]

I just finished my second flight in this aircraft, and it is top notch. An add-on of this caliber deserves a manual, hope to see one soon! Would also love to see some performance charts for take-off, climb etc. I've been guessing on the climb speed. I've heard this plane can be slow to get up to altitude IRL (and seems so in the sim) so it would be nice to know how to squeeze out as much performance as efficiently as I can. 

I am impressed with how well it hand flies. I haven't quite figured out the approach function on the Autopilot yet, so I had to take control manually and it was a joy to fly in. 

One final thing I wanted to note that I think is really cool is the spool up time when adjusting thrust. It's not instant. You have to be on top of speed management and anticipate. 

Thanks for making this aircraft!

[Coop]

15 minutes ago, smcross90 said:

I just finished my second flight in this aircraft, and it is top notch. An add-on of this caliber deserves a manual, hope to see one soon! Would also love to see some performance charts for take-off, climb etc. I've been guessing on the climb speed. I've heard this plane can be slow to get up to altitude IRL (and seems so in the sim) so it would be nice to know how to squeeze out as much performance as efficiently as I can. 

I am impressed with how well it hand flies. I haven't quite figured out the approach function on the Autopilot yet, so I had to take control manually and it was a joy to fly in. 

One final thing I wanted to note that I think is really cool is the spool up time when adjusting thrust. It's not instant. You have to be on top of speed management and anticipate. 

Thanks for making this aircraft!

Thanks for this, always great to hear

We have much more documentation being worked on.

[VirtualAviator]

I gotta tell ya, this CitationJet 525 has some of the best sounds I've ever heard in a flight simulator. Simply outstanding.