ddezulier Posted December 19, 2020 Report Posted December 19, 2020 Hello, How to know which database (navaids, airports, airways) is active. When starting the plane, current database is from November 2016 ! How can we update internal database or read an external fresher source ? Thank you Best regards ! Quote
CJSouthern Posted December 20, 2020 Report Posted December 20, 2020 You'll need to use an external provider like NaviGraph (who also provide additional flight-planning tools). If you do go the NaviGraph route be sure to use the X-Plane 11.41- format for the TBM900 or (from my experience) it doesn't work. Quote
ddezulier Posted December 20, 2020 Author Report Posted December 20, 2020 Ok, I understand that TBM900 is not fully compatible with X-plane 11.50. I own a Navigraph License and use SimBrief or LittleNavMap to produce FlightPlan. So if I produce a .fms plan, this one must be 11.41 compatible and not 11.50. If I enlarge the focus, that means that the navigraph datas for XP 11.50, airports, navaids, are also unreadable, it would explain inability to follow an ILS guidance I observed at arrival. When the TBM900 will be fully updated to the 11.50 version, which normally the target version ? Thank you for your answer. Best regards, Quote
CJSouthern Posted December 20, 2020 Report Posted December 20, 2020 2 hours ago, ddezulier said: Ok, I understand that TBM900 is not fully compatible with X-plane 11.50. I own a Navigraph License and use SimBrief or LittleNavMap to produce FlightPlan. So if I produce a .fms plan, this one must be 11.41 compatible and not 11.50. If I enlarge the focus, that means that the navigraph datas for XP 11.50, airports, navaids, are also unreadable, it would explain inability to follow an ILS guidance I observed at arrival. When the TBM900 will be fully updated to the 11.50 version, which normally the target version ? Thank you for your answer. Best regards, I don't know anything about .fms "versions" - all I know is that on my model the database date on the MFP init screen was about 4 years ago until I updated it using the 11.41- format data using NaviGraph. If I'm understanding what's been written elsewhere then - the TBM 900 should work with V11.50+ nav data with the exception of the ILS guideance, but all I can say is "that hasn't been my experience"; the database date stayed around 4 years old until I used the 11.41- format and it's been fine ever since. I use Navigraph to produce FMS plans for the G1000; so long as I append .fms to the filename and save it in the right location it works just fine. Can't comment on other software as I have no experience using anything else. I understand that the ILS issue with the v11.50+ data format has been addressed in the new TBM 900 version that's currently being beta tested, but as I never had any luck getting it to work at all with this version I'm just going to wait and see what happens when it's released. It's my understanding that they don't give dates for releases. Quote
ddezulier Posted December 21, 2020 Author Report Posted December 21, 2020 I have no problem to follow flight plan whatever the tool used to compute it. What it annoys me is to regress to XP11.41 navaid as the main furnished with X-plane update is 11.50 format. Hope the way the database furnished with the TBM 900 will be modified to be aligned with the simulator version. As I fly on different kind of plane, juggling with navaid database version is not the solution. Quote
gscottfuller Posted December 25, 2020 Report Posted December 25, 2020 I am also seeing 2016 data on the MDF boot page and suspect it could be causing nav issues I'm having. I have updated the X-Plane nav data to the latest AIRAC cycle using FAA data following the procedure that has been in effect since before 11.50. You basically download the CIFP file, move it into the X-Plane Custom Data folder and convert it to the format: earth_424.dat. Has this procedure changed in some way? What do I need to do to insure that the TBM is using the current data? Thanks. Quote
CJSouthern Posted December 26, 2020 Report Posted December 26, 2020 15 hours ago, gscottfuller said: I am also seeing 2016 data on the MDF boot page and suspect it could be causing nav issues I'm having. I have updated the X-Plane nav data to the latest AIRAC cycle using FAA data following the procedure that has been in effect since before 11.50. You basically download the CIFP file, move it into the X-Plane Custom Data folder and convert it to the format: earth_424.dat. Has this procedure changed in some way? What do I need to do to insure that the TBM is using the current data? Thanks. Per my post above (and elsewhere here) I had the same issue. It went away the INSTANT I updated using 11.41- format data. If I update using 11.50+ format data then the TBM shows data that's about 4 years out of date. Using the 11.41- format it shows the current AIRAC cycle. Quote
gscottfuller Posted January 4, 2021 Report Posted January 4, 2021 I am still unclear how to revert to the 11.41 format with the latest AIRAC data from the FAA but without using Navigraph for which I don't have an account. Is there a step by step procedure someone could please post? Many thanks. Quote
Cameron Posted January 4, 2021 Report Posted January 4, 2021 52 minutes ago, gscottfuller said: I am still unclear how to revert to the 11.41 format with the latest AIRAC data from the FAA but without using Navigraph for which I don't have an account. Is there a step by step procedure someone could please post? Many thanks. You're more familiar with doin data from the FAA than we are, so I'm afraid aside from what I gave you in the previous topic, you're on your own there. Quote
tull Posted January 4, 2021 Report Posted January 4, 2021 I am a navigraph user please can you explain to me please how I go about getting the 11.41 format using navigraph. I downloaded the latest 2004 ariac cycle ( i think it is) yesterday through the fms navigraph icon i have on my desktop but obviously that won't get me my localizer back in the tbm so how do I go about it please???? Thank you Regards Paul Quote
diamonddriller Posted January 5, 2021 Report Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) This is going to be a problem, as the current release of Navigraph's data (AIRAC 2014), which was released on December 31st., is the last time they will release data in the 11.41 format. Of course, Laminar is now only updating their released data in the 11.50+ format, and they assume that vendors have had time to adjust their models to accept that. I presume Hot Start will have a fix for this, but I am not sure whether other designers have the same problem. I am now using the 11.50 data (as from the day of the latest release), but haven't yet had to "fly" any ILS approaches in X-Plane, as I have been on PilotEdge with only visual approaches to my destinations - which were SKC in the RW! I'm not even sure why the data fix causes a problem, if the G1000 (or any GNS530 or 430?) is the Laminar program mainly, with some coding added for the intro pages, and synthetic vision, etc. Can someone explain what the problem is, please? Is it the alignment of the synthetic vision's runway? I haven't flown the TBM since the change, so I am hardly in a position to criticise! Just curious, and confirming Navigraph's position. Happy New Year. Edited January 5, 2021 by diamonddriller Quote
ssalis Posted January 5, 2021 Report Posted January 5, 2021 12 hours ago, tull said: I am a navigraph user please can you explain to me please how I go about getting the 11.41 format using navigraph. I downloaded the latest 2004 ariac cycle ( i think it is) yesterday through the fms navigraph icon i have on my desktop but obviously that won't get me my localizer back in the tbm so how do I go about it please???? Thank you Regards Paul Paul, you have to use the “manual” process of updating.... the Navigraph FMS Data Manager automatically downloads and install the 11.50 version of navdata. So go to the Navigraph website, login, and under “FMS Data Manager, search for “FMS data manual installation” There you Can find both versions to download. Unfortunately, the current cycle (2014, actually) in the last one they decided to publis in both versions. From the next one (2101, January 21 onward) only the 11.50 version will be available. We Can just rely on the upcoming new version of the TBM, which hopefully will solve this and other glitches..... Bye from Milan Stefano Quote
cpot Posted January 5, 2021 Report Posted January 5, 2021 I tried to flight an NDB approach to LFLU with Navigraph for XPlane 11.50 and TBM900 and it seems that i had a misalignment with the runway, can it be the same bug than for the ILS ? Best, Christopher Quote
tull Posted January 5, 2021 Report Posted January 5, 2021 Thank you Stefano, will try that later when I'm back on the Simulator! Regards Paul Quote
spiox123 Posted January 28, 2021 Report Posted January 28, 2021 So I fixed it with AIRACR 2014 and downloaded with the XP11.41+ Format via the Navigraph Website. Just updated all my AIRACS with the Navigraph FMS Data Manager and overwritted my data with XP11.50+. So how should I now continue? Where do I get these old data. Thanks for any help, you will have it fixed soon for all the paying customers out there which can't upgrade to the latest AIRAC.... Quote
Goran_M Posted January 29, 2021 Report Posted January 29, 2021 We are currently on Version 1.1.13 beta 12, which was sent out a few days ago. There were 3 fixes in that version (The less fixes there are, the closer we get to a release) If that version proves bug free, the update will be considered ready. 2 1 Quote
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