Am I banned?

[steven winslow]

I've been flying X-Plane only since V8.  I've been involved in the X-Plane community for 7 years or so.  Been a member at the org since November 2006.  For what it's worth, it was probably 8 months before I even realized there was a forum at the org.  Maybe the reason I don't understand the complaints here is because I don't get too involved over there.  Like Tom says, I just use it to get free stuff and the occasional purchase.  I leave the forums alone, other than the Carenado support thread.  I rarely say anything in the shout box.  When I do, it's usually something silly or random or a comment to Jack, Dan or Joe.  Maybe the secret to happiness is laying low at the org and cutting loose over here.  Hmmmmm......

Edited January 15, 2013 by steven winslow

[tkyler]

One thing that is not lost on us here is that we...... having a free download library, are also subject to the same kind of situation over the long term; however, being the file library is in its infancy though....and developers that upload here also seem to upload to the org file library.....that means our download library serves no real purpose except to serve those with conviction against supporting the org......and right now, that is a small bunch of dudes and "long term" is probably just that....really long term, as in possibly never.

 

So unless developers upload here only... the x-pilot file library really won't serve the needs of those except the convicted and that isn't the fastest growing group.   BUT....as I said, this is not lost on us and we are always looking at new ways to build a better community and experience.  So it's not just a matter of us hoping the file library gets big enough with community contributed, x-pilot exclusive content to make folks come here instead of there because I don't think that will happen nor do I want it to.  Developers generally love attention and adulation and you get a whole lot more of that at the org than here so the incentive to host files here only is very small.  

 

So we're considering (Ok, I'm trying to sell) to Cameron a few different ideas for steering x-pilot and it's community experience.  We dont' just want to be a smaller version of the org or even AVSIM,  we want to try some new stuff, quality over quantity.   Time will tell if we can get it done and if it will work. 

 

TK

Edited January 15, 2013 by tkyler

[mike10]

I've been flying X-Plane only since V8.  I've been involved in the X-Plane community for 7 years or so.  Been a member at the org since November 2006.  For what it's worth, it was probably 8 months before I even realized there was a forum at the org.  Maybe the reason I don't understand the complaints here is because I don't get too involved over there.  Like Tom says, I just use it to get free stuff and the occasional purchase.  I leave the forums alone, other than the Carenado support thread.  I rarely say anything in the shout box.  When I do, it's usually something silly or random or a comment to Jack, Dan or Joe.  Maybe the secret to happiness is laying low at the org and cutting loose over here.  Hmmmmm......

 

 

I only posted once over there, complaining that my email to sales was ignored. 

[Sgt R Lee Ermey]

I will be uploading here only and I'm sure the trend is going to continue as more people abandon ship over there.  It is like the days of Saddam Hussien over there,  nobody willing to say anything negative about anything or they'll get shot.  Life under a dictatorship is in plain view over there.

 

Anyway because I'm only in it for the pure love of flight sims, I won't allow some little men with no sense of self worth or power take out their "shortcomings" on people like me.  Case closed!

[Cooley]

I ventured over here simply because the J32 was not being offered at .org.  I'm not sure what arrangement was made with Javier, but if more "exclusive" items are offerred here they will come.

[VirtualGAaviator]

I would be the one to post on a 10-year-old conversation. I have shared my opinion in other posts regarding the way I was treated on the other website. However, I found Tom's explanation of the division from the .org site to be very interesting; it was an enlighting read.

Even 10 years later, I can't refrain from saying this:

When I first came across .org, I made a common mistake - I thought it was the official website of X-Plane.com. At that time, I was not familiar with Laminar Research or Austin Meyers. All I wanted was to improve my simulator experience. The website's name "X-Plane" gave it an inherent advantage, but it's not the official site. Nevertheless, I still use it for add-ons and support, albeit with reluctance. Although I miss the  conversational atmosphere of the other site, I'm not inclined to go back.

Edited October 29, 2023 by VirtualGAaviator
Clarity

[simnut]

And I'll add on to this 10 year old thread with my opinion lol.  

I was just banned from the .org forum for mentioning that a reply to a new member from a community leader was a little bit rude (in my mind it was actually quite rude) and they banned me.  I have no use for that forum over there also.  I enjoy the store part and have kept them in business for the past few years.  Brett is one of the biggest culprits over there, no sense of haha in that one.

[VirtualGAaviator]

13 hours ago, simnut said:

I have no use for that forum over there also.

Honestly, I miss participating in those forums, but not enough to go back. I often start conversations in the General Discussions area of this X-Pilot with the hope that people might wanna engage. Even without engagement, if I have something to say, I'll post there without hesitation.

My observations in these forums are that the administrator stays busy assisting developers with various projects and, thus, over the past 15 years or so, has abandoned the idea of taking on the other forum, head-to-head. Since the other forum shares the name of the flight sim product, it has an inherent advantage. Nevertheless, we have an opportunity here, IMO.

Another observation here is a lot of the regulars are also busy. This leaves them little time to be conversational, but they are super-happy to answer questions one has about products they support. Getting feedback on other products might be problematic; I have an issue with Better Pushback and have yet to get feedback to help figure out a resolution. Unfortunately, that compels me to go to the other forum, which I support ONLY for support.
I'm long-winded this morning. Thanks for adding to this 10-year-old thread.

[mjrhealth]

@VirtualGAaviator Ye got temporary smack over the wrist over there, i dont understand the mods over there. They wanted to "preview" all my posts for a month so I simply didnt post. Quiet here but so it is on the other forum.

[VirtualGAaviator]

2 hours ago, mjrhealth said:

Ye got temporary smack over the wrist over there

They smacked me hard enough for me to get outta there...

[simnut]

I'm old, I'm retired...I like quiet!

[VirtualGAaviator]

21 hours ago, simnut said:

I'm old, I'm retired...I like quiet!

That caught me off guard, hahaha..

[Titus Lu]

I will also add my own opinion.

I have indeed noticed much negativity about the .org forum, but even though people there may have treated you quite rudely, you just can't ignore the fact that much of X-plane's addons, support, and activity goes on at that website.

So far, since 2021 when I joined the .org forums, I have had no negativity whatsoever there. I have done my business, posted comments, posts and files, and done much technical messaging. I feel that many people there are cordial and welcome talking to you while some people directly ignore you.

BUT I still see more of the good.

Just my personal opinion.

[Titus Lu]

On 1/13/2013 at 5:07 PM, BimmerCop said:

Does anyone know if Laminar Research has even granted them permission to use the "x-plane" domain name? Anyone might think .org is directly affiliated to .com and I wouldn't be surprised if tons of potential XP customers have been steered away due to their shitty attitudes.

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/profile/119-austin/

Austin Meyer's supposed account at the .org.

If he disfavored the X-Plane domain name, then why would he be on there at all?!?!?!

Plus, I have bought many products from them with no problem.

Edited yesterday at 10:01 AM by Titus Lu

[VirtualGAaviator]

4 hours ago, Titus Lu said:

If he disfavored the X-Plane domain name, then why would he be on there at all?!?!?!

I've never heard that Austin personally has ever had an issue with .org, so I'm not sure he'd 'disfavor' it. While not grabbing .org when he grabbed .com might be considered a missed opportunity today, the environment at the time was probably different. Austin focused on the core product rather than ancillary details, IMO.

The environment has changed since then. MSFS has demonstrated the value of attaching a shopping cart to the simulator, and I can't imagine that some of the staff haven't heard or experienced some of the war stories surrounding the .org.

I have my own war story with .org, so I'm personally delighted to have a place to purchase products that do not support .org. Plus, I might no longer have to deal with extracting .zip files into folders. However, I'll always opt to purchase a product from X-aviation.com even if it's available at X-Plane.com.