axmiha Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 One minor thing that may be an X-Plane rendering / material / polygons problem is that when you turn the cabin lights on, the cockpit gets illuminated even with the doors closed. Another is the taxi light, which seems too dim from the cockpit. Is it like that in real life? One more - backlight on some panels too low or non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axmiha Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Is it harder to land than the XP11 version? I'm having a hard time not "kerr-boong" on the runway. Three landings, three broken backs. I didn't use to break backs on 11, at least not that often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanadeo Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) Hi again. I've still got stuttering. I have scoured windows defender and allowed XP12 through the firewall.. Windows defender is switched off. I have a feeling Gizmo is giving me trouble for some reason, Not saying it is the problem but wondering if there is a route issue that Gizmo doesn't like, maybe I overlooked something. It's very strange as it appears no one else seems to have this problem?.. I tend to end up with ridiculous issues and it's usually with cars but it seems to have transferred over to the virtual world now lol. Vide below shows what's happening, note how after it speeds up then returns to normal. Not how I intend to fly the plane either just for demonstration of the issue I'm getting lol Edited September 17, 2023 by Vanadeo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litjan Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) @Vanadeo The taxi lights and turnoff lights in the real aircraft are just as dim. They are not meant to illuminate the taxiway, they are for spotting obstacles and mostly for people seeing you taxi. The cabin light spilling into the cockpit is a known problem and a side-effect of us using dynamic ("real") lights. It is a limination of X-Plane´s engine, most objects do not cast shadows or block dynamic light, unfortunately. One workaround is to dim the light in the cabin during night flying. We are looking into ways to make the lights go "out" if the camera is inside the cockpit. Which backlight do you feel too weak? Landings feel a bit different in XP12, you need to concentrate on not letting the nose drop as you approach the runway, raise it by ca. 3 degrees as you go through 30 feet and leave power on a second longer. Edited September 17, 2023 by Litjan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tompolth Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 I've installed the new IXEG and more or less everything is working fine. However I missed some features: I can't find the preflight options, so it is more complex to assign weights to the FMC The wiper knob doen't work. I can see the arrow but nothing happen when you try to use it. Best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrhealth Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Wondering if its good to start a known issues topic locked and updated by developer with comments, that way people "might" read it and not repeat the same issue over and over. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsnugget Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Do the old liveries (for the IXEG 737 XP11 version) also work on the XP12 IXEG 737 Classic Plus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLH9KA Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) Hello A few findings: The right FMC does not allow LSK L keys do be used when on the LEGS Page! Thus entering Waypoints or altering the legs page from FO side is impossible. It is also not possible to enter the Position on the init page. Right side TERR Display and WX Radar are written as U/S but why? Do you plan to implement sunshades by any means? X-Plane 12's sun power and lighting engine sometimes really require some blocking of light. Background light of the FMC is missing but I guess it already has been mentioned somewhere. Is it possible to use the default TOGA command from X Plane or is there a special one? Didnt find one yet. Wipers (already known I guess) dont work and using the command results in a Gizmo error popping up. Is the X-Plane menu CG the one you enter in the FMC? Are there plans to implement a better tablet/EFB with Weight&Balance loading and maybe Simbrief import? When trying to alter the descent Speed and its constraints on the DES Page it is not accepting inputs at all. Cost Index should also change computed climb and descent speeds but it has no effect. Entering QNH and Temps on the descent forecast page is not working. Will there be an option to import winds or request a METAR? When switching to plan mode without the IRS aligned the route should be displayed but it doesnt. Engine spool up is maybe too quick! Rgds PC Edited September 17, 2023 by DLH9KA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisho0 Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Is there an updated IXEG 737 Classic Plus installer or a patch fixing the known "bugs" posted in this thread? Or, how to tell a fix has been released? Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrhealth Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 must ask the question. is this compatible with the Beta Gizmo which I currently use. I assume it will install the standard one whcih breaks the beta one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litjan Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, DLH9KA said: The right FMC does not allow LSK L keys do be used when on the LEGS Page! Thus entering Waypoints or altering the legs page from FO side is impossible. It is also not possible to enter the Position on the init page. Right side TERR Display and WX Radar are written as U/S but why? Do you plan to implement sunshades by any means? X-Plane 12's sun power and lighting engine sometimes really require some blocking of light. Background light of the FMC is missing but I guess it already has been mentioned somewhere. Is it possible to use the default TOGA command from X Plane or is there a special one? Didnt find one yet. Wipers (already known I guess) dont work and using the command results in a Gizmo error popping up. Is the X-Plane menu CG the one you enter in the FMC? Are there plans to implement a better tablet/EFB with Weight&Balance loading and maybe Simbrief import? When trying to alter the descent Speed and its constraints on the DES Page it is not accepting inputs at all. Cost Index should also change computed climb and descent speeds but it has no effect. Entering QNH and Temps on the descent forecast page is not working. Will there be an option to import winds or request a METAR? When switching to plan mode without the IRS aligned the route should be displayed but it doesnt. Some of these are already known and some will/may be implemented in the future. Some of your observations I can not confirm (LSKs, Econ Index, FMC background light (there is none)) Edited September 17, 2023 by Litjan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrhealth Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 1 hour ago, trisho0 said: Is there an updated IXEG 737 Classic Plus installer or a patch fixing the known "bugs" posted in this thread? Or, how to tell a fix has been released? Pat This has just being released, I wouldnt be expecting patches day 2. You should get email when update comes which will provide you a link for the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litjan Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 I have updated some stickied posts here on the main page, namely the FAQ post (with a link to the "known bugs" post) and the "what will not be in V1.5" post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLH9KA Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 50 minutes ago, Litjan said: Some of these are already known and some will/may be implemented in the future. Some of your observations I can not confirm (LSKs, Econ Index, FMC background light (there is none)) Right FMC: Press POS INIT comes up with a blank page DES Page: entering a restriction does not work as well as changing the taget DES SPD target which should change with the cost index! Forecast Page: Entry of ISA DEV and QNH does not work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litjan Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Yup, all known. Thanks for the report! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanadeo Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 So my stutters the result of Gizmo memory cleaning then, I'll be looking forward to the new version of Gizmo then. It seems to have mellowed out a bit but it is a little annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaH Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Hi Jan, did several flights now, and I have a question regarding the rotation of the aircraft. Maybe I´ve lost the feeling because the months since XP12 I only flew A320, however the first 1 or 2 seconds when pulling on the yoke the 737 lifts very easily and fast and when lifted off the ground you instantly have to pull much harder on the yoke to maintain a positive rate of climb. I don´t remember that on XP11, maybe because of XP12 flight physcis? I´ve set the trim according to the FMC and loaded the aircraft through the XP menu, the figures should be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLH9KA Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, DaH said: Hi Jan, did several flights now, and I have a question regarding the rotation of the aircraft. Maybe I´ve lost the feeling because the months since XP12 I only flew A320, however the first 1 or 2 seconds when pulling on the yoke the 737 lifts very easily and fast and when lifted off the ground you instantly have to pull much harder on the yoke to maintain a positive rate of climb. I don´t remember that on XP11, maybe because of XP12 flight physcis? I´ve set the trim according to the FMC and loaded the aircraft through the XP menu, the figures should be correct. I have a very strange behaviour as well with rotation. I have to pull the yoke quite a lot and nothing happens and suddendly it "snaps" airborne and I have to correct a lot by pushing the yoke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaH Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 Just now, DLH9KA said: I have a very strange behaviour as well with rotation. I have to pull the yoke quite a lot and nothing happens and suddendly it "snaps" airborne and I have to correct a lot by pushing the yoke Yeah... seems to be the same problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litjan Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, DaH said: however the first 1 or 2 seconds when pulling on the yoke the 737 lifts very easily and fast and when lifted off the ground you instantly have to pull much harder on the yoke to maintain a positive rate of climb. Yes, this is due to new physics in X-Plane 12 - they are representing real world effects, but are probably a bit too strong in the case of our 737. Austin models the downwash of the wings making the air go "down" behind the wings - and if the horizontal stabilizer is in this downwash, it gets more effect (pushes tail down). So if the plane lifts the nose, the tail moves close to the ground into an area where the air can not "flow down" anymore (because the ground is in the way). It looses effectiveness and the pilot has to "pull more" to make the nose keep going up. Once the plane is out of the ground effect climbing, this effect gets re-established and you can "relax" the pull a bit. The real 737 has the same effect: You initiate rotation fairly easily, then the plane "stops" rotating when you reach about 10 degrees and you have to pull MORE to keep the nose going up (recommended is 3 deg per second rotation rate). Once the plane is lifted off and climbs out, you can relax this extra pull. Its almost as if there was a "resistance" to the nose moving up around 10 degrees pitch. It works the same on landing, the closer you get to the ground, the more you have to "pull" to keep your nose from dropping. This is more pronounced now in XP12 and one has to adjust the technique: When passing 50 feet, make sure to keep nose up at the same pitch! When passing 30 feet, pull nose up by 3 degrees and HOLD IT THERE. At 20 feet, pull power back to idle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLH9KA Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 I have to report another one here.... Thr right ND does not cycle through the waypoints when in PLAN mode: The moment you put the left hand ND in plan mode, it works again normal. Rgds PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaH Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Litjan said: Yes, this is due to new physics in X-Plane 12 - they are representing real world effects, but are probably a bit too strong in the case of our 737. Austin models the downwash of the wings making the air go "down" behind the wings - and if the horizontal stabilizer is in this downwash, it gets more effect (pushes tail down). So if the plane lifts the nose, the tail moves close to the ground into an area where the air can not "flow down" anymore (because the ground is in the way). It looses effectiveness and the pilot has to "pull more" to make the nose keep going up. Once the plane is out of the ground effect climbing, this effect gets re-established and you can "relax" the pull a bit. The real 737 has the same effect: You initiate rotation fairly easily, then the plane "stops" rotating when you reach about 10 degrees and you have to pull MORE to keep the nose going up (recommended is 3 deg per second rotation rate). Once the plane is lifted off and climbs out, you can relax this extra pull. Its almost as if there was a "resistance" to the nose moving up around 10 degrees pitch. It works the same on landing, the closer you get to the ground, the more you have to "pull" to keep your nose from dropping. This is more pronounced now in XP12 and one has to adjust the technique: When passing 50 feet, make sure to keep nose up at the same pitch! When passing 30 feet, pull nose up by 3 degrees and HOLD IT THERE. At 20 feet, pull power back to idle. Thank you Jan! I thought that this could be quite realistic, thanks for clarifying! :-) In regard to that, are there any suggestions to controller sensitivity settings in Xplane12? Edited September 17, 2023 by DaH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litjan Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, DaH said: In regard to that, are there any suggestions to controller sensitivity settings in Xplane12? I am using the standard "50%" settings and that seems to work good for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litjan Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, DLH9KA said: Thr right ND does not cycle through the waypoints when in PLAN mode: Yes, this is also known - ever since I became a Captain in 2008 I lost all interest in making the right side more functional . Just kidding, of course - we have plans to improve the FO side functionality in the future, not sure if we can get WXR and Terrain working, but at least get the POS INIT, PLAN mode (and also the PLAN mode while IRS not aligned yet) should be possible! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medway Posted September 17, 2023 Report Share Posted September 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Vanadeo said: Hi again. I've still got stuttering. I have scoured windows defender and allowed XP12 through the firewall.. Windows defender is switched off. I have a feeling Gizmo is giving me trouble for some reason, Not saying it is the problem but wondering if there is a route issue that Gizmo doesn't like, maybe I overlooked something. It's very strange as it appears no one else seems to have this problem?.. I tend to end up with ridiculous issues and it's usually with cars but it seems to have transferred over to the virtual world now lol. Vide below shows what's happening, note how after it speeds up then returns to normal. Not how I intend to fly the plane either just for demonstration of the issue I'm getting lol What does plugin admin look like? And do you have MSI afterburner? That helps to see the nature of the stuttering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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