Real Life CL650 pictures

[Zhivko]

Thanks a lot @FYG001! Really appreciate it! I am sure this will be helpful for a lot of other people. 

Thanks again! 

[FYG001]

My pleasure, If you have some pictures of your project, our Pilots would love to see them! 

[Zhivko]

Not yet, I am at the phase of gathering data and investigating options!

[FYG001]

Got a few more from a recent flight showing the aircraft easing into Le Bourget

[bpcw0001]

Great pictures! How did you get them to look so close to the Hot Start Challenger 

The only thing I am wondering is about the blue color of the ADI sky on the PFD with SVS on. On all these shots, it seems to be a much darker blue than in the HS Challenger, where it looks very light blueish and washed out.

Is this a camera / lighting thing? 

Edited July 28, 2023 by bpcw0001

[FYG001]

Hi bpcw, good point, it is definitely much more like in the pictures which have been taken with different lights and camphones. I have made the point before to Hot Start, but Pils wrote in January that this was not a priority for them. 

[bpcw0001]

11 hours ago, FYG001 said:

Hi bpcw, good point, it is definitely much more like in the pictures which have been taken with different lights and camphones. I have made the point before to Hot Start, but Pils wrote in January that this was not a priority for them. 

Interesting. Thanks for the info. At least they know about it.

Edited July 29, 2023 by bpcw0001

[bpcw0001]

On 9/29/2022 at 8:43 PM, FYG001 said:

Interesting picture of our Challenger working its way westbound to 45N050W battling against an unusual strong westerly, although not any longer visible here

Crawling along at M0.72

maxing out range, our just saving fuel?

 

[FYG001]

Both, you see we still had 3h27 to go to KBGR, using roughly 1850lbs per hour, so very rough 6300 lbs, leaves 2400 for alternate and holding

[bpcw0001]

21 hours ago, FYG001 said:

Both, you see we still had 3h27 to go to KBGR, using roughly 1850lbs per hour, so very rough 6300 lbs, leaves 2400 for alternate and holding

I see.

[bpcw0001]

On 8/18/2022 at 10:45 PM, FYG001 said:

A few more for today

That wheel well looks remarkably clean. 

Very new bird, or recent wash? Or is it that it just doesn‘t get that dirty?

Edited August 2, 2023 by bpcw0001

[FYG001]

Business jets fly not nearly as much as airliners do, and also are kept much cleaner than the big ones. And this applies even more so for the interior 

[bpcw0001]

18 hours ago, FYG001 said:

Business jets fly not nearly as much as airliners do, and also are kept much cleaner than the big ones. And this applies even more so for the interior 

Does this apply to the flight deck as well?
Seems to be pretty worn and scratched in the HS Challenger.

Thinking of popping out my old Photoshop and doing a little touchup work on those scratched and smudgy cockpit elements.

[bpcw0001]

On 8/7/2022 at 10:20 PM, FYG001 said:

I took some more pics the other day, these levers are not as worn as in the Hotstart!

 

While the HS650 textures certainly are superb and lively, I personally find the level of wear and tear modelled in the HS cockpit a bit over the top. The cockpit looks more like that of a beaten, old early-MSN 605 with a PL21 Advanced and SGWAIS upgrade slapped in, rather than that of a genuine 650 with at most 8 years under its belt.

If I recollect correctly, the 650 is available since 2015?

Anyway, worn or new, this bird is so addictive in X-Plane. 

Edited August 25, 2023 by bpcw0001

[Pils]

On 8/25/2023 at 12:18 PM, bpcw0001 said:

The cockpit looks more like that of a beaten, old early-MSN 605 with a PL21 Advanced and SGWAIS upgrade slapped in, rather than that of a genuine 650 with at most 8 years under its belt.

It was modelled after an IRL airframe, but I don't know how kind of artistic license @Goran_Mtook.

[Goran_M]

Many people want some kind of damage, grunge or dirt.  They don't want something too "clean".  So yes, I did add some imperfections to give it "character".

[bpcw0001]

On 9/6/2023 at 2:29 AM, Goran_M said:

Many people want some kind of damage, grunge or dirt.  They don't want something too "clean".  So yes, I did add some imperfections to give it "character".

I understand.

Still, I would have appreciated a little less "old 727 freighter" feel in the cockpit.

But hey, the CL650 is my favorite in any case, grubby or not.

Edited September 18, 2023 by bpcw0001

[bpcw0001]

On 7/29/2023 at 7:16 AM, FYG001 said:

Hi bpcw, good point, it is definitely much more like in the pictures which have been taken with different lights and camphones. I have made the point before to Hot Start, but Pils wrote in January that this was not a priority for them. 

It should look more like this:

 

rather than this:

 

Currently, it is too washed out and the contrast is not optimal. 
I hope the Hot Start guys get around to improving this. I venture a guess that maybe changing some color values is not a huge effort?

It would certainly be cool if HS got around to providing a config file for different EFIS color values, where users can tweak the colors themselves.
 

 

Edit:
Actually, I've found that a lot of the "washed out" look comes from using backlight bleeding and the pixel effects. I wouldn't have expected the latter to have any influence on colors, but it does.
Turning off pixel effects gives more vibrant, more saturated colors with better contrast.
Too bad, since I really like the pixel effect, but I prefer more vibrant colors with better contrast so it's pixel effects off for me for now.

Edited October 3, 2023 by bpcw0001

[ois650]

On 5/12/2023 at 10:39 AM, FYG001 said:

Got a few more from a recent flight showing the aircraft easing into Le Bourget

@FYG001 just noticed the white box surrounding the active and preselected altimeter settings. Is this something that appears when approaching the transition level with local QNH preselected? The box doesn't appear in any of the manuals - curious to know so it may be implemented

[FYG001]

Hi Oisin, checked with the pilots, we have the white box when you preselect local QNH whilst still being in STD QNE. So it could be programmed for completeness, yes

[FYG001]

It's been a while...

 

[bpcw0001]

I know that the CL600-series is generally operated at M0.80 at cruise, and I am personally totally fine with that.
Still, out of interest: does any operator ever fly at max cruise? (Bombardier itself specifies a max cruise of M0.82, so I don't know where the MCRZ of M0.83 in the Hot Start FMS comes from).
I have the impression that a good portion of operators go even lower, e. g.  to M0.78 in cruise, even when not having to squeeze out max range.
Is it just a fuel burn/cost issue, or does the Challenger display some unwanted qualities at speeds higher than M0.80?

Edited April 15 by bpcw0001

[FYG001]

The Chally on a transatlantic outing

 

[bpcw0001]

On 4/15/2024 at 3:21 PM, bpcw0001 said:

(Bombardier itself specifies a max cruise of M0.82, so I don't know where the MCRZ of M0.83 in the Hot Start FMS comes from).
 

Ah, I found it. M0.83 is max allowed Mach in RVSM airspace accoding to the manual, so Bombardier has apparently opted for some safety buffer.