robbietp1 Posted January 8, 2022 Report Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) Hey guys, At random times everything seems to go a bit crazy and I go from 40 fps down to 20 and everything slows down. It seems to be completely random, I cant find a common situation between all the times it has happened. I know some others were having similar issues. Interested to see if anyone can help! Update: Its something to do with Gizmo and I believe X-aviation, seems to be some sort of issue there where Gizmo is using more than the actual Challenger Edited January 9, 2022 by robbietp1 2
Rodeo Posted January 8, 2022 Report Posted January 8, 2022 Bad Gizmo, bad! Sorry I cannot be more help.
robbietp1 Posted January 8, 2022 Author Report Posted January 8, 2022 42 minutes ago, Rodeo said: Bad Gizmo, bad! Sorry I cannot be more help. Bad Gizmo indeed. Not too sure why its causing the issue but every now and then it spikes and I go from 30 fps to 20 and slow motion. Hopefully it can be figured out
boctal Posted January 9, 2022 Report Posted January 9, 2022 I also had this issue after a transatlantic when entering the UK. Gizmo was spiking performance and resulted in around a 10-20fps loss each time it occurred.
CaptCrash Posted January 9, 2022 Report Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) It currently appears that this is not gizmo or the CL650 but rather task saturation is occurring on your processor and the high execution times you see are a function of the task scheduling in the flight loop being delayed. @robbietp1 what processor do you have currently installed? additionally can you try removing all addon plugins except gizmo and seeing if that helps with execution time. Edited January 9, 2022 by CaptCrash
robbietp1 Posted January 9, 2022 Author Report Posted January 9, 2022 7 hours ago, CaptCrash said: It currently appears that this is not gizmo or the CL650 but rather task saturation is occurring on your processor and the high execution times you see are a function of the task scheduling in the flight loop being delayed. @robbietp1 what processor do you have currently installed? additionally can you try removing all addon plugins except gizmo and seeing if that helps with execution time. Thanks for the Reply, I’m running a Quad core I5-2400 at 3.4 GHz which I believe is the minimum needed. I will try and remove most my addon plug-ins and see if it helps today! Cheers.
Rhinozherous Posted January 9, 2022 Report Posted January 9, 2022 I also have experienced this. Two times when in cruise near the TOD. Fps went from around 40 to 20 (which is bad when flying vatsim). Rest of flight was normal fps. System specs in signature.
robbietp1 Posted January 9, 2022 Author Report Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, CaptCrash said: It currently appears that this is not gizmo or the CL650 but rather task saturation is occurring on your processor and the high execution times you see are a function of the task scheduling in the flight loop being delayed. @robbietp1 what processor do you have currently installed? additionally can you try removing all addon plugins except gizmo and seeing if that helps with execution time. So i have tried it with almost every plugin removed and it is still doing it unfortunately. the CL650's usage is peaking up to 20,000 and more. I can understand that my PC may be limiting it, but with everything turned down and or off I would have expected some sort of improvement, there has been nothing so far for some reason. on average the CL650 is using 6,000us. The TBM was far less than this for me. What your saying about the flight loops does make sense as you can see here its causing most the issue but why is it happening and how can it be solved? Edited January 9, 2022 by robbietp1
Ben Russell Posted January 9, 2022 Report Posted January 9, 2022 I've run a bunch of A B testing on Gizmo retail vs Gizmo dev branch and it looks like a bunch of this is on me. I'm seeing some pretty abysmal perf numbers out of retail. The good news is I'm seeing some significantly better numbers out of the dev branch... Will push harder to get you all something soon. Turns out Gizmo is NOT the issue. See last post in this thread. 6
robbietp1 Posted January 9, 2022 Author Report Posted January 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, Ben Russell said: I've run a bunch of A B testing on Gizmo retail vs Gizmo dev branch and it looks like a bunch of this is on me. I'm seeing some pretty abysmal perf numbers out of retail. The good news is I'm seeing some significantly better numbers out of the dev branch... Will push harder to get you all something soon. This sounds really promising Ben! thanks for the update and taking the time and effort to look into it Looking forward to a fix in the near future
Ben Russell Posted January 10, 2022 Report Posted January 10, 2022 Fixed the blocking issue with dev branch just now. Need to sleep on it, then review for packaging... Shouldn't be too much longer. 8
robbietp1 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Report Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Ben Russell said: Fixed the blocking issue with dev branch just now. Need to sleep on it, then review for packaging... Shouldn't be too much longer. Thanks for the update Ben! Really appreciate how quickly you responded and diagnosed the issue.
andresmado Posted January 10, 2022 Report Posted January 10, 2022 Hi there, i just wanted to confirm that I’ve experienced this issue in 3 times before TOD. I go from 30 to 10 fps and flying becomes impossible in VATSIM or even out of it. specs: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 4 core 4.2 GHz VRam 1660 ti 6 gb ram 32 gb i would love to know how I can improve this situation as I love the airplane. thanks Hector
robbietp1 Posted January 11, 2022 Author Report Posted January 11, 2022 8 hours ago, andresmado said: Hi there, i just wanted to confirm that I’ve experienced this issue in 3 times before TOD. I go from 30 to 10 fps and flying becomes impossible in VATSIM or even out of it. specs: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 4 core 4.2 GHz VRam 1660 ti 6 gb ram 32 gb i would love to know how I can improve this situation as I love the airplane. thanks Hector Hi Hector, please see above messages from Ben, the problem was identified within the Gizmo plug-in and they have been working hard to address and fix this issue which from what I can see is now more or less done and just wrapping up. So it should be fixed hopefully very soon. Cheers!
andresmado Posted January 11, 2022 Report Posted January 11, 2022 6 hours ago, robbietp1 said: Hi Hector, please see above messages from Ben, the problem was identified within the Gizmo plug-in and they have been working hard to address and fix this issue which from what I can see is now more or less done and just wrapping up. So it should be fixed hopefully very soon. Cheers! Hi Robbietp1, Yes I read the messages. Thank you very much and looking forward to this! Cheers 1
Mark Bond Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 Will this gizmo fix be CL650 or an xplane patch?
Ben Russell Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Mark Bond said: Will this gizmo fix be CL650 or an xplane patch? Gizmo is an x-plane plugin. Gizmo is installed with the CL650 package. The update will probably be made available as a separate installer or zip file for a week or so while we verify that it fixes or improves these performance issues without creating any further problems. 1
viK1ng Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Ben Russell said: Gizmo is an x-plane plugin. Gizmo is installed with the CL650 package. The update will probably be made available as a separate installer or zip file for a week or so while we verify that it fixes or improves these performance issues without creating any further problems. Hi Ben,Is there an ETA for the release?
Ben Russell Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 57 minutes ago, viK1ng said: Hi Ben,Is there an ETA for the release? I'm hoping to have it out by midnight Friday 14th GMT+10. This will give everyone a weekend update and hopefully "peak enjoyment". 3 1
Chrsi Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 I have the same problem. Gizmo64 need 3-10FPS it jump in an intervall of 5 seconds up and down. I look in my Taskmanager but there are no problems with perfomance. My CPU run with 85% and my Videocard with 9% and Ram with 66%. On ground i have 20-30 FPS but in Flight the fps drops to 5-20FPS. When i set the Video settings to middle i have 15-20 FPS but i have stuttering. Same with Video setting low. I tryed to deactivate all plugins except :Better pushback, Avitab , Xpuipc, Gizmo64, Airplane plugins, but that dont help. When i fly TBM 900 there no problems with Gizmo64 and i have normal performance.
Cameron Posted January 12, 2022 Report Posted January 12, 2022 We do not need further reports of this, as it's been discussed above already. This topic is locked for the time being. 1
Cameron Posted January 16, 2022 Report Posted January 16, 2022 An update to this issue... We thought we had this pinned down as definitely an issue with Gizmo, but we have realized that is now not likely to be the case. It's a long story, but the short version is what Ben thought was a perf issue he had seen between retail and dev branch wasn't so much the case. We have a couple of operating theories on what's happening right now, but we need some data points to prove the case. For those of you that had experienced this, please PM me if I have not yet reached out to you on my own. Thanks! 1
Cameron Posted January 22, 2022 Report Posted January 22, 2022 This issue is resolved with the following announcement:
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