IXEG PFD/ND + MCP Lights Too Dim

[Sacha]

Hello everyone,

First things first, I would like to thank all the IXEG team for their work upon the 737-300, it is in my opinion, one of the best addon ever created. Hopefully it will shine on XP11 soon enough.

Now, this issue doesn't only concern the IXEG 737-300; it does concern most of the planes within XP11. To me, the ingame rendering has a huge impact on immersion, that said, it appears to me that most PFD/ND, cockpit lights and backlight are colourless and doesn't really reflect reality. Those lights should be way brighter than what we currently have. I'm sure we got plenty of pilots out here who spent enough time inside a cockpit and may confirm my statement. I haven't seen anyone pointing this out hence the reason I'd like to get your toughts regarding this feature guys.

May the IXEG team consider that ? If no, is there a way to manually tune the brightness of the PFD/ND from core files ?

Finally, sometimes having pictures help...

Those lights are clearly visible and all informations are easily readable; I'm refering mostly to the PFD/ND, MCP, FMC rendering.

Now that's what we got on a stock shot.

Indeed, colourless on the displays, the MCP is barely readable, the PFD and the ND lack of punch, especially the MCP backlight.

How I'd imagine it should render...

I made few changes using PS, those tuning may not be perfect for everyone, but I did so people would get "the big picture". I suppose those engines gauges displays should be also more visible, that said, I haven't edited that part of the panel.

What do you guys think ? Do you agree ?

Thanks and happy flying !

Edited June 3, 2017 by Sacha

[judeb]

This is a known issue with this a/c in Xp11

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[Andrey Novikov]

I do not see any problems in XP11. I never rotate rheostats to full brightness. For me setting them to half is enough to clearly read all gauges.

[Morten]

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it appears to me that most PFD/ND, cockpit lights and backlight are colourless and doesn't really reflect reality. Those lights should be way brighter than what we currently have. I'm sure we got plenty of pilots out here who spent enough time inside a cockpit and may confirm my statement. I haven't seen anyone pointing this out hence the reason I'd like to get your toughts regarding this feature guys.

On what do you base this opinion on?  Photos of LIT panels are generally useless, especially those you find on Airliners net etc.  Most of what you find is overexposed or has been tampered with to look better. Have been building sim panels for almost 18 years.  As for pilots who spent enough time in the 737, I'm sure you know that Jan on our team has spent over 6000 hours in them and he has approved it.  However there ARE issues in XP11 with atleast some of the backlit annunciators etc are too dim, we are aware of that.  So if you wan't to judge anything at this point you need to do so in XP10 for which the aircraft is built.

And just to give you an idea how complicated it is to judge those pics, look at your first photo.  Compare the PFD horizon colors on both sides.  The right side is set more dim than the left.

[Sacha]

14 hours ago, Morten said:

On what do you base this opinion on?  Photos of LIT panels are generally useless, especially those you find on Airliners net etc.  Most of what you find is overexposed or has been tampered with to look better. Have been building sim panels for almost 18 years.  As for pilots who spent enough time in the 737, I'm sure you know that Jan on our team has spent over 6000 hours in them and he has approved it.  However there ARE issues in XP11 with atleast some of the backlit annunciators etc are too dim, we are aware of that.  So if you wan't to judge anything at this point you need to do so in XP10 for which the aircraft is built.

And just to give you an idea how complicated it is to judge those pics, look at your first photo.  Compare the PFD horizon colors on both sides.  The right side is set more dim than the left.

Hey no offense there, my opinion is based on various jump seats and flight deck tours that I've done on both A320 and B737-800. I gotta admit that having a friend in Ryanair who's been promoted captain last year helps a bit. I find this quite funny as we used to train togheter back in the days. 

Back on topic, it appears clearly both PFD aren't tuned at the same brightness level on the shown picture but anyway the rendering really differs from what we have in the sim. I'm not blaming IXEG, I'm just pointing out details that could be improved as I really support this product. As I said, this may concerns all XP11 planes.  Furthermore, there are plenty of resourceful medias over the internet which could illustrate what I'm pointing out, and not this very exclusive picture, but from what I've witness with my own eyes, the rendering could be improved. If you did build home cockpits or sims for years, then I'm sure you would get the point. 

Finally, I'm fully aware that the IXEG 737-300 isn't officially compatible with XP11 which is the reason why I'm not buying it yet as I won't rollback on XP10. I'll just wait till it comes out as I had really good feedbacks on this product, and as I have a positive opinion about it even though no ETA has been released. In the end, I'll be there once it gets there. 

[Cameron]

No offense, but trying to compare latest technology Ryanair 737NG aircraft with an old CRT driven 737 Classic display is not exactly even close to the same. Different times in aerospace engineering years, and CRT's are notoriously not bright.

[Litjan]

Hi Sacha,

thanks for your feedback. I agree that lighting levels in desktop flight-simulations are not fully recreating the experience you get in a real cockpit, but I don´t think that is actually possible with todays technology. But of course we will consider your input in further development,

Cheers, Jan

 

[Morten]

4 hours ago, Sacha said:

...which is the reason why I'm not buying it yet...

Ok, so I'd say wait until you at least have it before you judge it.. 

[Yidahoo]

I am guessing in this case we can substitute armchair expert for jumpseat expert. Even if the jumpseat is in a completely different generation of aircraft.

[Sacha]

2 hours ago, Litjan said:

Hi Sacha,

thanks for your feedback. I agree that lighting levels in desktop flight-simulations are not fully recreating the experience you get in a real cockpit, but I don´t think that is actually possible with todays technology. But of course we will consider your input in further development,

Cheers, Jan

 

I'm glad you also have the same point of view as me and considering your experience. I'm guessing it's not that obvious for people who never spent some time in a flight deck as this is a detail in the overall. I was wondering if that feature could be achievable, because of the sim engine restriction itself. No one ever mentionned this, so this is the reason why I decided to bring this onto the table. All I wish is the best for IXEG and for XP11. Thanks Litjan.

 

[Morten]

You CAN adjust the brightness of the PFD's and MCP?!  Every light adjustment that you have in real you have here.  Like 20 or something different reostats. You can adjust all day long without having the exact same lighting twice.. You can also adjust each side separately (And I do have dozens of hours in the 737 cockpit, so don't go there).

So until you actually own the aircraft and know what it's lighting is capable of, get proper documentation of what you think might be improved, this discussion is pointless.  Until then this topic is closed.

(click on pic for more real colors)

Edited June 6, 2017 by Morten

[Ben Russell]

Here's what I think;

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/optical_illusion.html