Nicola_M Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Nah, he's just telling it how it is. Personally, knowing the state-of-the-art-IXEG-737-that's-gonna-make-everything-else-look-crap is coming out soon (ish), if I was a dev I would've avoided making another 737 for about the next ten years, because no matter what 737 anyone brings out it's going to look shit alongside theirs. Wrongly or rightly, the IXEG one is what it'll be judged against. As a business decision - for that's what it is - bringing out something that's going to be disadvantaged from its announcement, thanks to the poorest timing in the history of mankind - it's suicidal.They should have settled on something else, anything else. I wish FJS well, but I think it'll end in tears. Edited February 4, 2014 by Nicola_M
Nicola_M Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Please put that Hat back on and leave it on,Or better yet,Pull it completely over your Head .How can you bash a product that hasn't been released? You are one of the rudest people I've meet in The X-Plane Community. You may be good with code,but your lack of decency towards other people and fellow developers shows me what a shallow person you are. Have you met Brett or xDave (aka the org's hospitality directors?) Edited February 4, 2014 by Nicola_M
mike10 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Oh no. I've upset the fanboys. This is clearly a cheap move to take advantage of the enthusiasm built up around other products coming to market. If you can't see that maybe you should pull your head out of your collective asses. This "AMAZING OMG I JUST WET MY PANTS" product will be shallower than the kiddies wading pool, and about as nice to swim in. This won't even be 1% the quality of the other product if you're willing to wait for it. Imagine what the world would be like if we all told the truth instead of glossing shit over day in, day out, afraid to hurt someones poor widdle feelings. Ben, What frustrates me to no end is how many simmers don't see the difference between low-mid range simulations that look nice and PMDG/IXEG level products. I read a few of the posts in the thread PMDG vs. FF 777 thread over at avsim and I did not even respond to the few posts I have read because I felt I would have gotten banned. sadly I think the depth of the IXEG plane will go right over the top of most simmers heads and that just pisses me off because I think that plane IS going to be the must have plane for ANY platform, now I don't have a problem with the guys at FJS and I don't think they try to sell their products as deep simulations it's just that I just don't think some pretty textures with no depth is OMFG!!!!! MUST BUY!!!! I CAN"T WAIT FOR THIS I AM SO EXCITED I JUST SOILED MY PANTS........ worthy. That should be reserved for the study level sims. BUT... I think there is room for both in the market. This product is a 200 and a future IXEG customer may buy this product to simulate older 737 ops. I hope that one day we will see a PMDG 737 NG for x-plane and maybe a IXEG 737 NG! Nothing will promote X-plane better than several talented groups competing to one up each other in quality, as a consumer and a believer in X-plane as the platform for the future I look forward to the day where the market will grow to the point that we will see multiple products in every category. Edited February 4, 2014 by mike10
Ben Russell Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Worse still.... it's much harder to UNlearn than it is to learn. Broken systems leads to broken pilots. NO systems simulation is better than a half assed incorrect one. Don't believe me? Go take some martial arts classes and learn first hand how fun it is to throw up when the blackbelt shows you what life is really about and how little you really know.Been there, done that. At least I didn't take anyone with me.
Mik75 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Sorry, but I don't get it! ;-) The B732 and the Classic series -300,-400,-500 737's are two completely different aircraft. We have two different payware 100/200 variants, 2 versions of the classic series and 2 versions of the NG series in FSX. Right now, there is not a single decent 737 in X-Plane. So, why not be happy? And as I stated above, the FJS and the IXEG won't even simulate the same aircraft, so I am pretty sure they will coexist very well! I'll add them both to my hangar anyway! Edited February 4, 2014 by Mik75 3
StevenM Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) IMHO the UN-learning and learning of aviation related things makes this hobby such fun. We're not shackled bij real world limits to go and explore the why and how of aviation technology and history. Edited February 4, 2014 by Steven Manschot
eMko Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) As a business decision - for that's what it is - bringing out something that's going to be disadvantaged from its announcement, thanks to the poorest timing in the history of mankind - it's suicidal.They should have settled on something else, anything else. The -200 variant is AFAIK not on the X-Plane market yet. It's a different beast than Classic which is a different plane than NG. Personally I AM looking forward to it and I'm not going to buy the NG. I'd buy Classic if there were no "Prehistoric" (AKA -200 or -100) available. Of course I'm a minority - but I just don't want a simulation of a flying computer. X-Plane (even with yoke and pedals) is not a real life (where I would like to have every automation possible - even at my "boring" work (software developer) I automate as much as I can - to prevent as much errors as possible), X-Plane is something what I have for an entertainment and I find more entertaining to have steam gauges, "hardware" E6B and printed maps rather than fancy iPads in front of me. I just hope that I am not the single potential buyer of the plane. Edited February 4, 2014 by eMko 2
StevenM Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) The -200 variant is AFAIK not on the X-Plane market yet. It's a different beast than Classic which is a different plane than NG. Personally I AM looking forward to it and I'm not going to buy the NG. I'd buy Classic if there were no "Prehistoric" (AKA -200 or -100) available. Of course I'm a minority - but I just don't want a simulation of a flying computer. X-Plane (even with yoke and pedals) is not a real life (where I would like to have every automation possible - even at my "boring" work (software developer) I automate as much as I can - to prevent as much errors as possible), X-Plane is something what I have for an entertainment and I find more entertaining to have steam gauges, "hardware" E6B and printed maps rather than fancy iPads in front of me. I just hope that I am not the single potential buyer of the plane.Hear, hear. I'm exactly in the position. Developer with a softspot for old analog stuff. Even have an E6B. Edited February 4, 2014 by Steven Manschot 2
guym-p Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 I think there is plenty of room for several Boeing 737s. It's been operating since 1968, and with yet another new version in development for 2017. I've travelled on so many of the things, from family holidays on 737-200 to the present day, that it's easy to ignore them as part of the furniture. In fact they have punctuated important events throughout my life, and, if I stop and think about it, there is a lot of nostalgia attached to them. I'm sure I speak for a great many (if not all) of us. 46 years. Is that the longest production run for any airliner? The longest production run for any jet aircraft was 50 years, but the 737 will beat that — especially if the 737 MAX is successful. Studying how the 737 has changed is to map the evolution of the modern jet engine, cockpit and navigation systems. It might be ubiquitous, or boring: the "Ford Mondeo" of the stratosphere; but it's an extraordinary achievement, and one that deserves to be celebrated with many different versions in X-Plane spanning its entire history. I'm all for it. Guy. 5
SwissCyul Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Posted February 4, 2014 Oh guys. Why don't you just leave everybody like he is. Everyone can buy the product he wants, or not. I am personally excited for an old style 737-200 because i see them everyday in Montreal. So please excuse me but i am excited to see it realized. And if you don't agree with that it's fine for me, but please make a RANT out of this or just start another Post with the title "Why should we buy 2 737 that are not the same". I began this post for those who are interested in the 737-200. And not for people to trash the unfinished project and say that the IXEG 737 will be better. Of course it will have more in depth systems, but i enjoy to fly aircraft that are easy to get into and just look good. So please stay calm and just wait until both products are released(or not)... SwissCyul 2
Nicola_M Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Oh, how very gracious of you. I have your permission to say how wonderful it is that a lesser 737 is coming out, but not to say that it's not the greatest decision of late?Thank you SO much.
andydckent Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 As has been pointed out 737-200 and 737-300 are totally different beasts.
Nicola_M Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Okay then. For your benefit: "Oh, how very gracious of you. I have your permission to say how wonderful it is that a different 737 is coming out, but not to say that it's not the greatest decision of late?Thank you SO much. ;)" Spent a bit of time today trying to figure out the differences between a 200 Advanced and a 300 on Wikipedia. Danged if I can see it. The 300 is hardly an NG, so I doubt the differences are going to be that great.Wings - identical. Body - Identical. Seats - Identical. Landing gear - identical. Cockpit - looks the same to me, though a lack of 200 cockpits photos & 300 cockpit photos to compare doesn't help. I'll leave you all to it now. It's getting silly trying to speak when no one understands the combination of vowels and consonants. Edited February 4, 2014 by Nicola_M
AtomicFrawg Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Wow. So you can't see the difference between the 2 aircraft? Different EnginesDifferent WingsDifferent Flight instrumentsNo FMC in the 200200 is shorter I will own both 737s and I will be Live streaming both. Edited February 4, 2014 by AtomicFrawg 2
Andy Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 I think we are probably digressing substantially from the OP’s intentions for this thread but since we seem to have strayed into the minutia of aircraft type differences, then from the point of view of a pilot (which is what we simulate with these products) these are absolutely two distinct aircraft (Boeing would not have gone to the trouble of years of designing, developing and building the Classic Series if that were not the case). A pilot of a 732 cannot fly a 733 without completing an exacting transition course, also called a “Differences” course (the clue is in the title), which normally takes three days. There is no point going into what all the “differences” amount to here but with regard to the two products on offer then they are ‘horses for courses’. Any successful flight sim needs a variety of both aircraft types and levels of complexity of any particular type of aircraft. In this case take your pick and I am sure you will enjoy either one - or indeed, both. I honestly don’t believe that FJS are looking for reflected glory from the IXEG product or even necessarily consider that they are in direct competition with IXEG. From numerous comments here and elsewhere their products offer a ‘sweet spot’ of complexity and fun and their 732 will be a very different beast from IXEG’s offering - and not in a bad way. I still wish they had gone for the 707 but hope that the 732 is a stepping stone to that other iconic classic and wish them well. I will be another happy customer. 1
Nicola_M Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 Wow. So you can't see the difference between the 2 aircraft? Different EnginesDifferent WingsDifferent Flight instrumentsNo FMC in the 200200 is shorter I will own both 737s and I will be Live streaming both. You're right, I can't. No more than you couldn't probably tell the differences between a BK117 A-1 and a BK117 B-2.But thank you for pointing out the differences, something that the plethora of Wiki pages re the 737 series fails to do clearly, if at all. Now, that said, if these are two entirely separate aircraft then it becomes clearer why FJS plan to do it.
Airbus Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 LOL You guys talk as if FJS is the only developer out there. There is always room for new product and competition! They're just first to the 732 game!
Cameron Posted February 4, 2014 Report Posted February 4, 2014 This topic has certainly ran it's course and then some, so it's time to close it. Best of luck to FJS on this new venture. 2 1
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