Any way to get the X-Plane 11 version IXEG 737?

[Kalnon]

I want to get the IXEG 737 but I would like to be able to own both the X-Plane 11 & 12 versions if possible.  I see the X-Plane 11 version is now removed from the store.

Please, is there any way to get both versions of the aircraft?  I would be willing to pay for both if I could get some kind of package discount for buying both versions of the aircraft.  I still use X-Plane 11 a lot for many reasons and I want this plane in both sims.

[firebird008]

Hello,

I'd like to join the question. I have both X-Plane 11 and X-Plane 12 installed. Unfortunately, I'm experiencing fluctuating performance in XP12. Toliss runs great, but Felis not so much. With the IXEG 737, I'm worried I might encounter similar issues in XP12. Does the purchased version work in XP11 or not at all? If so, I'll just stick to flying in the old sim and wait for XP12 to hopefully run better with future updates.

Best regards,

Timo

[firebird008]

A "no, X-Plane 11 is no longer supported and therefore you can't buy it" is ok for me. Though it would be sad but of course acceptable. I just ask for clarification. 

[giacer]

System Requirements

Simulator: X-Plane 12. Not compatible with X-Plane 11.

Operating Systems: MacOS 12+ (at least Monterey) or Windows 10+

Recommended: Modern CPU with 4+ Cores (3 GHz+), 16+ GB RAM, NVIDIA or AMD with 4+ GB VRAM.

Simple, not sold, not supported, I doubt they sell it secretly. If it's not listed on the site, it's nowhere to be found. 

[firebird008]

Hoped there would be a secrete option 

But I read some things in this forum and I understand the cancelation of XP11 support. Only then the upgrade policy makes sense. So, perhaps we see us in the future.

[Kalnon]

I will not buy the plane unless I can get both versions.  Even if they no longer wish to support it, they could still sell it with a disclaimer that it's no longer supported.  There's no reason I see as to why they permanently deleted it and removed it from the store.  I mainly want to fly it in XP11 because of all my scenery I have that's not XP12 compatible.  At this point with all the scenery packages and modifications I made to XP11, I have it looking almost as good.  I will be using XP11 for a very long time to come yet.

[Litjan]

I assume X-Aviation and I know IXEG (since I am part of the team) is perfectly willing to accept the potential loss of sales from the XP11 version at this point. We believe that the potential benefit from providing a separate download environment for that version is not outweighing the increased complexity that this would bring.

We realize that many people are still running XP11, just like there are many people still on FS2004 or WindowsXP.

On a personal note, whenever I read about someone sticking with XP11 there is usually an emotional unwillingness to deal with the new and unknown...in this case totally unfounded ;-)

Cheers, Jan

[Bulva]

8 hours ago, Litjan said:

...in this case totally unfounded ;-)

Absolutely not unfounded.   ;-)
The specification of my computer absolutely does not allow me to enjoy the benefits of XP12 using IXEG in VR mode (that's the only way I fly).
In XP11, with all the additions and "improvers", it achieves a completely smooth VR simulation in any region, in any weather conditions.
I have an XP12 and I am fully aware of its superiority over the XP11, but I have no pleasure in flying it.
If I upgrade my computer, I will definitely switch 100% to XP12, but for now, the VR mode in XP12 is very lame.
And still if I want to fly IXEG, I fly in XP11....

;-)

 

[Kalnon]

On 4/16/2024 at 3:13 AM, Litjan said:

I assume X-Aviation and I know IXEG (since I am part of the team) is perfectly willing to accept the potential loss of sales from the XP11 version at this point. We believe that the potential benefit from providing a separate download environment for that version is not outweighing the increased complexity that this would bring.

We realize that many people are still running XP11, just like there are many people still on FS2004 or WindowsXP.

On a personal note, whenever I read about someone sticking with XP11 there is usually an emotional unwillingness to deal with the new and unknown...in this case totally unfounded ;-)

Cheers, Jan

What kind of complexities would make it so difficult to keep the XP11 version available for sale on the website?  That doesn't make sense to me.  I don't know a lot about hosting a site that sells downloadable products, but it can't be that difficult to leave it up on the store for people to buy and download.  I mean, there's nothing else you really have to do (as far as I know) except keep it available in the store than just let it sit there for sale (with a "no longer supported" disclaimer) and keep the "master" copy of the aircraft on the site (or wherever you keep your downloads) available for people to download it.  What else do you have to do that wasn't already done really?

There's an FSX/P3D aircraft developer that was named Milviz (now called Blackbird Simulations), they made a lot of high quality payware.  About a year ago, they decided to drop out of the FSX/P3D market and focus on MSFS and then they did something very awesome for the FSX/P3D community (yes, they still exist), they re-released all 25 of there FSX/P3D aircraft as freeware and made them all available for anyone to download on their own website which they host themselves: Blackbird Simulations - Freebies (blackbirdsims.com)

If they can make 25 legacy aircraft available for download for free on their site, why can't you just keep one single legacy XP11 aircraft available (for sale)?  Can it be that difficult to do?

As for still wanting to use XP11, I am certainly not unwilling to deal with XP12 because I own it already, I just don't use it much rn.  Though it is an improvement over XP11, It's not nearly as impressive as I had hoped it would be and not much better than my heavily modified version of XP11, most of the time I find myself firing up XP11 instead.  Also XP12 is barely even out of beta now.  For XP11 I have many aircraft that are not and likely will not be updated for XP12 that I still enjoy flying, I have my Orbx TE scenery (most of which is not yet XP12 compatible) and loads of other types of scenery as well as many other kinds of add-ons, in fact, I have XP11 looking nearly as good as XP12 does and in some ways even better looking.

I'm not going to give up XP11 and the several hundred dollars' worth of add-ons I own that goes with it just to use XP12 which has very limited amount of content compared to XP11 rn and it will likely take a very long time for developers to do their thing and make old add-ons fully compatible (many converted XP11 to XP12 aircraft and other add-ons still have plenty of bugs & other issues to work out as well as the newly released content) as well as make more new add-ons.  There's still a lot of upsides to still using XP11 for me.  It is going to be a very, very long time before I switch to using XP12 on a regular basis, probably at least a few years or so, in fact I'm thinking about uninstalling it because I use it so little and it's taking up so much storage just sitting there.

I'm not buying the IXEG 737 if I can only get it for XP12, it's not worth it to me.  I'm also not going to buy the new LES DC3 for the same reasons.

Edited April 17 by Kalnon

[Cameron]

2 hours ago, Kalnon said:

I'm not buying the IXEG 737 if I can only get it for XP12, it's not worth it to me.  I'm also not going to buy the new LES DC3 for the same reasons.

Perfectly in your right! You're just in a severe minority.

[Kalnon]

12 hours ago, Cameron said:

Perfectly in your right! You're just in a severe minority.

I do believe I'm in the minority but I wouldn't call it a severe minority.  I've seen plenty of people on the different X-Plane forums talking about still using X-Plane 11.  In fact, I just happened to look up X-Plane 10 on Steam and read the reviews, I was curious as I never used that version.  What surprised me is that there were a lot of recent reviews of people talking about how they still use X-Plane 10 even today.

[Litjan]

See it this way, maybe? When you eventually upgrade to XP12...the IXEG will be there waiting for you (unless we moved to XP13 by that time )

[Cameron]

9 hours ago, Kalnon said:

I do believe I'm in the minority but I wouldn't call it a severe minority.

I have the stats of many products and can see where installs go (the CL650, as an example, is multi XP version compatible). It's definitely a severe minority. The community has by and large migrated to X-Plane 12.

[giacer]

I haven't intended to defend their decision or give a response against you.
As both a customer and an entrepreneur, I want to make a point of view.
Having two similar but not equal products can lead to slow development in the new product.
After paying for the product, would you like to receive support?

YES
The development of the new version is slowed down, which results in buyers complaining.

NO Then
You agree to purchase it without any assistance?

YES
Surely, sooner or later, someone will complain about something doesn't work well that causes damage to reputation.

[mjrhealth]

15 hours ago, Kalnon said:

I do believe I'm in the minority but I wouldn't call it a severe minority.  I've seen plenty of people on the different X-Plane forums talking about still using X-Plane 11.  In fact, I just happened to look up X-Plane 10 on Steam and read the reviews, I was curious as I never used that version.  What surprised me is that there were a lot of recent reviews of people talking about how they still use X-Plane 10 even today.

It may be that many still use 11 but its not financially good for developers to spend time on products that few are buying, for older vers, Most developers have moved on and most users have learned to live with it.

[Kalnon]

8 hours ago, Litjan said:

See it this way, maybe? When you eventually upgrade to XP12...the IXEG will be there waiting for you (unless we moved to XP13 by that time )

Lol good point.

8 hours ago, Cameron said:

I have the stats of many products and can see where installs go (the CL650, as an example, is multi XP version compatible). It's definitely a severe minority. The community has by and large migrated to X-Plane 12.

I believe you but I did a survey a couple months ago (from a popular flight sim website) asking me which simulators I use most and after I finished the survey it showed me the results which actually showed many more X-Plane users are using still using X-Plane 11 version 11.55 over X-Plane 12.  Another strange result that surpised me is that some X-Plane users are still using an outdated version of X-Plane 11 (version 11.30 I believe but I could be wrong) for some reason.

3 hours ago, giacer said:

I haven't intended to defend their decision or give a response against you.
As both a customer and an entrepreneur, I want to make a point of view.
Having two similar but not equal products can lead to slow development in the new product.
After paying for the product, would you like to receive support?

YES
The development of the new version is slowed down, which results in buyers complaining.

NO Then
You agree to purchase it without any assistance?

YES
Surely, sooner or later, someone will complain about something doesn't work well that causes damage to reputation.

I am not asking for continued support and updates for XP11 add-ons.  As I said before, I would be happy to buy the XP11 version of the IXEG 737 as is with no developer support or new updates.  All I'm asking is that they make it available for sale, I don't think that's asking too much and it will in no way hurt development of current products.

 

Edited April 18 by Kalnon

[Cameron]

1 hour ago, Kalnon said:

I believe you but I did a survey a couple months ago (from a popular flight sim website) asking me which simulators I use most and after I finished the survey it showed me the results which actually showed many more X-Plane users are using still using X-Plane 11 version 11.55 over X-Plane 12.  Another strange result that surpised me is that some X-Plane users are still using an outdated version of X-Plane 11 (version 11.30 I believe but I could be wrong) for some reason.

A website poll is not really relevant. The pool size is not indicative of add-on purchasers use behavior. My data is concrete and definitive of what actual buyers are doing.
 

2 hours ago, Kalnon said:

All I'm asking is that they make it available for sale, I don't think that's asking too much and it will in no way hurt development of current products.

We aren't going to do this. People don't read fine print about "as-is" clauses, and many will begin purchasing the wrong one even if the supported version is in the title. I realize you think this would be simple, but on my end it's headache central. We're just not going there. I deal with customers all day long to know better than that.

[Kalnon]

2 hours ago, Cameron said:

A website poll is not really relevant. The pool size is not indicative of add-on purchasers use behavior. My data is concrete and definitive of what actual buyers are doing.
 

We aren't going to do this. People don't read fine print about "as-is" clauses, and many will begin purchasing the wrong one even if the supported version is in the title. I realize you think this would be simple, but on my end it's headache central. We're just not going there. I deal with customers all day long to know better than that.

I do not believe your data is fully relevant either as you only sell a few aircraft so your data is very incomplete, it does not cover aircraft available from all payware sites.  I don't think you can come to the definite conclusion that most X-Plane users are only installing all of their payware aircraft (from all payware sites) that are both XP11 & XP12 compatible into XP12 only just based on the limited data you have.

It's your aircraft and you can do with it whatever you please, it just makes me very sad that you guys (and LES) are abandoning XP11 users just because a newer X-Plane version was just released.  In my opinion, your reasons for not wanting to do it are kind of lame to be honest and sound more like excuses to me (just being honest, not trying to start a fight).  You may not care but It makes me upset and I no longer want to buy any of your aircraft ever, whether they're XP11 compatible or not and even when I do finally switch to XP12 I won't buy any so you just lost at least one customer that was willing to spend good money.

Yes, it does happen on occasion that someone will buy the wrong version but I believe most flight simulation users are smarter than you think (most do know how to read) and I don't believe it happens nearly as often as you think.  Personally, I have never made that mistake and I use many flight simulators out there since 2002 and still buy payware for many of them.  

I also still use FSX:SE (this sim is near and dear to my heart and I'll never give it up.) and even though it's very dated, one thing I love about it is there's still to this day thousands of payware add-ons still available for it as well as thousands of freeware add-ons too allowing me to create my own unique flight simulator exactly the way I want it using vanilla FSX as the base, using add-ons and making my own modifications.

If I had to estimate, I would say about 90% of the add-ons ever made (both free and paid) for FSX are still available on the internet, in fact you can still find many FS9 payware for sale too.  At least the FSX developers are still willing to sell their add-ons (and fairly often still give support) and not abandon the community (and yes, the FSX community still exists even if it's smaller these days).

[Cameron]

1 hour ago, Kalnon said:

Yes, it does happen on occasion that someone will buy the wrong version but I believe most flight simulation users are smarter than you think (most do know how to read) and I don't believe it happens nearly as often as you think.

Think? I know. I deal with customers daily. It's my job.
 

It's not a statement about one's intelligence. It's about the common occurrence of NOT reading. 

1 hour ago, Kalnon said:

I do not believe your data is fully relevant either as you only sell a few aircraft so your data is very incomplete, it does not cover aircraft available from all payware sites. 

50 products is more than a few. My data is a lot more relevant and true than anything you'll get your hands on. That's about all I can say to that.

I'm sorry you're displeased, but I've been doing this (selling products) for 16 years. I don't care to be right, I'm just stating the facts as they are.

I hope you find products that make you happy, and while I find your future purchasing decisions a bit odd, that's your choice and I respect it.

Happy flying!

[firebird008]

Then I'll also add something - I'm so free  

I understand both sides. Although I started simming with FS5 and A320 on the Amiga, it wasn't until FS 2004 and FSX that I really got into it. As life goes, there are phases where you don't have time to spend leisure time at the computer. Then, years later, you regain some free time and come back to the hobby... in that time, I found FSX replaced by Prepar3d and MSFS 2020, and X-Plane 11 was already replaced by the release of XP12. Emotionally, though, I was still attached to all the FSX addons and had to realize with "consternation" that I couldn't catch up on all the addons I wanted to. PMDG? FSX products gone. At first, I thought the same thing: Why? Just keep selling it and don't worry about it. But would that be okay? Would I spend $90 on an addon and have problems installing it or entering the key... but expect no support?

To make it short: Development has also allowed me to discover addons that I would never have experienced otherwise. I spent some time with MSFS, but now I'm full-time (meaning the full time of sparse leisure time) in X-Plane. I would like to be more in XP12, but XP11 is currently running better. Hoping for 12.1 and further updates... but without the "forced" perspective change away from FSX, I wouldn't have discovered all the addons that I get to experience today.

Yes, I'm still somewhat behind and want to treat myself to the Challenger next month (also because it still runs in XP11), but I am now firmly convinced that I will also experience the IXEG in XP12. Unfortunately, not today or tomorrow, but maybe in a year. It's a hobby that should be fun for us, and developers have to figure out how to best manage economically... hey, no question. I still come and feel that we are not customers in the classical sense. On the "other side" sit enthusiasts who program something for our community (which I will never understand how it works) and we have the opportunity to live with these addons this hobby virtually and still all be in the midst of a community where we have direct contact with each other. From this perspective, I pay for the time, work, ideas, and sweat with my purchase price, but unlike when I buy a car or whatever, I don't expect to be treated like a king. Most developers of addons of the quality of IXEG have such high standards for themselves and their work that you don't need to step on their toes when there are problems. But as individuals, we must accept that our own interests and perspectives cannot be the sole measure. Even if it's personally disappointing, if it's better for the greater good, then so be it.

[FlyerC3]

Hi

and sorry to bring it up again : besides all the pros and cons, since I am using X11 more than X12, will the installer for the X11 version still work in case I loose my installation ?

 

Regards

 

Joachim

[Cameron]

2 hours ago, FlyerC3 said:

Hi

and sorry to bring it up again : besides all the pros and cons, since I am using X11 more than X12, will the installer for the X11 version still work in case I loose my installation ?

 

Regards

 

Joachim

Yes, the installer is still downloadable and works for prior X-Plane 11 purchases.