mb339 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, sundog said: This "proof" is not convincing. 70 fps with antialiasing Off and Default F22 not seem "exceptional" value. It is the norm. What will happen with AA 2x or 4x and complex payware aircraft? 70 fps again? Edited October 26, 2016 by mb339 2 Quote
sizziano Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 70 fps with antialiasing off? We don't know his settings so the FPS number is meaningless. 2 Quote
mb339 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 The plane have "zig zag" graphic. antialiasing is off. 1 Quote
sizziano Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 The plane have "zig zag" graphic. antialiasing is off. Yes as I noted earlier in the thread. Quote
mb339 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 Exactly. It is not my intention to make a critical Skymaxx4, absolutely not! However, I believe that before show the performance of Skymaxx4 must show the True performance in everyday use. The x-plane "common use" includes antialiasing 2x or 4x, and/or complex aircraft (example, Ixeg 737, Carenado, etc). Show 70 fps with Antialiasing Off and Default F22 is not a convincing demonstration. 1 Quote
Cameron Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 Guys, relax. You'll get plenty of evidence and videos prior to release to make your buying decisions. It's not your turn to turn up the criticism meter just yet. 2 1 Quote
liser Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 SMP 4 is looking really nice already! 1st day buy here, for sure! Keep up the good work! Enviado desde mi Nexus 5 mediante Tapatalk Quote
WR269 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 +1, can't wait to get my hands on it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote
3saul Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 12 hours ago, sundog said: That's funny, because SMP's clouds used to do that - and then people complained about it, so we turned that effect off. Really, people were freaking out on us insisting that clouds always appear white no matter what (even though I know that's not true.) You've given me the courage to re-enable that effect, but perhaps just more subtle than it used to be. Thanks for the feedback. 1 vote for me. I think having this effect will enhance the look of clouds being far away from the aircraft. 1 Quote
sundog Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 9 hours ago, mb339 said: However, I believe that before show the performance of Skymaxx4 must show the True performance in everyday use. The x-plane "common use" includes antialiasing 2x or 4x, and/or complex aircraft (example, Ixeg 737, Carenado, etc). Show 70 fps with Antialiasing Off and Default F22 is not a convincing demonstration. On my PC, the FPS cost of going from low to high rendering settings with SMP4 disabled is more than the cost of rendering multiple overcast layers to the horizon with SMP4. Showing a framerate under "common use" is showing the FPS impact of the rendering settings, aircraft, etc. much more than the FPS impact of SMP4. Everyone has different aircraft, scenery, settings, and hardware, so that really wouldn't be useful. What I'm offering is a baseline. I'm *not* saying "you will get 70 FPS with SMP4 under worst case weather conditions with SMP's settings maxed out." Just that it is achievable. Everyone's setup is different and it's impossible to make claims like that. 3 Quote
IndiB Posted October 26, 2016 Report Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) sundog - Quote That's funny, because SMP's clouds used to do that - and then people complained about it, so we turned that effect off. Really, people were freaking out on us insisting that clouds always appear white no matter what (even though I know that's not true.) You've given me the courage to re-enable that effect, but perhaps just more subtle than it used to be. HUGE +1 from me. I'd love to see this effect. Weird how people think clouds are white to the horizon, plane bonkers (if you'll pardon the pun). Brent. Edited October 26, 2016 by IndiB Quote
jweber Posted October 28, 2016 Report Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) It Looks great! - congratulation... The only thing left - it is still looking a little bit like a cotton batting layer from above FL 300. I have the impression the announcement of xEnviro pushes a little more drive in how fast further developments are driven. This product is on a good way. I'm curious what the Russians doing. I am a SMP user since V2. Jack Edited October 28, 2016 by jweber Quote
sizziano Posted October 28, 2016 Report Posted October 28, 2016 It Looks great! - congratulation... The only thing left - it is still looking a little bit like a cotton batting layer from above FL 300. I have the impression the announcement of xEnviro pushes a little more drive in how fast further developments are driven. This product is on a good way. I'm curious what the Russians doing. I am a SMP user since V2. Jack I just want proper CBs, squall lines and supercells. Quote
jweber Posted October 28, 2016 Report Posted October 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, sizziano said: I just want proper CBs, squall lines and supercells. Yes. As long as Xplane is limited on three layer that is a challenge... Quote
sizziano Posted October 28, 2016 Report Posted October 28, 2016 Yes. As long as Xplane is limited on three layer that is a challenge... Still want it haha. Quote
3saul Posted October 28, 2016 Report Posted October 28, 2016 43 minutes ago, sizziano said: Still want it haha. Me too.. Quote
MercuryMat Posted October 28, 2016 Report Posted October 28, 2016 XP11 seems to have not this limit. But, about fps...I had many problems with SMP and multiple layers. That killed the performances. OK, I use complex planes and complex sceneries, but if I disable SMP in this situations the fps return to an acceptable rate. This is what bother me. If SMP cannot scale dinamically, in some way, quality & performances, I think the problem will be still there with any version. It would be very annoying to work with the settings or disable SMP during a flight to gain fps. I think the clouds are one, if not the only, of the things that could be adjusted dynamically to maintain constant performances, even if this means to temporarily reduce the quality. Quote
Cameron Posted October 29, 2016 Report Posted October 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Mad Mat said: If SMP cannot scale dinamically, in some way, quality & performances, I think the problem will be still there with any version. It would be very annoying to work with the settings or disable SMP during a flight to gain fps. I think the clouds are one, if not the only, of the things that could be adjusted dynamically to maintain constant performances, even if this means to temporarily reduce the quality. We actually did this in the v3 run with our beta test group. We thought it would be an excellent idea, but the feedback we received indicated otherwise, thus it never made it into retail. 1 Quote
MercuryMat Posted October 29, 2016 Report Posted October 29, 2016 What a pity! May be it needed just a little tuning work. Quote
JohnMAXX Posted October 29, 2016 Author Report Posted October 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Mad Mat said: What a pity! May be it needed just a little tuning work. Honestly maybe you need to do some tuning.....SMP was never plug n play, on purpose..... V3 performs great v4 is even more optimized but you need to tailor both x-plane and SMP to your hardware.... Quote
Tom Knudsen Posted October 29, 2016 Report Posted October 29, 2016 I beg to differ, i plug my smp in and of it goes Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Quote
sizziano Posted October 29, 2016 Report Posted October 29, 2016 I beg to differ, i plug my smp in and of it goes Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Stop being so pedantic. Quote
Tom Knudsen Posted October 29, 2016 Report Posted October 29, 2016 Stop being so pedant. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Quote
sizziano Posted October 29, 2016 Report Posted October 29, 2016 Stop being so pedant. Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Haha case in point. 1 Quote
Tom Knudsen Posted October 29, 2016 Report Posted October 29, 2016 He he Sent from my SM-G928F using Tapatalk Quote
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