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AF380, thank you for your kind support! In the meantime i received the files from another community member. Thank you very much again! C.

EPGB scenery if anybody wants to fly there... http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=18050 Thanks Canox, why you had a hard time making a wide arc? Weather? You fly by hand, right? Cheers, AJ

Thanks for the feedback. Now ,a few days later, I found out whats all about. The screen showed on the McPhat-Facbook shows us a version wich has never been published. In fact it was the very first livery made for the ATR (before McPhat started their activities with the bird) This first livery had various details we do not find on the McPhat-liveries. ( e.g. the emergency-exit on the cockpit and detailed propellors) On the other hand McPhat improved the textures and added many other significent details in high definition. Why I am making such a fuzz about this? Last months I have been working on a livery for the ATR. ( Royal Thay Air Force 6th Wing 60314 , with the "Valour without Arms" logo on it) ) Its my intention not to make "just another livery" , I am recreating the looks of the bird. This one will not be "dirty" and "worn-out" , it will look, lets say, a bit fresher. AND it will have the details ( I re-created myself) we see on the first initial livery in combination with the McPhat-looks (except for the dirt as said) In other words , it try to make it a "McPhat-Extra" ("Plus" if you prefer) This work is based on my own ATR72 paintkit ( based on McPhat "blanks") and re-woked normals.

Maybe, but anyway we strongly recommend you study the video's by Jan. More will follow. They teach you all you need to know to get started and more. We want you to get flying day 1. If you are unfamiliar with the 737 or heavies in general, we recommend first watching the video's, then, when we release the manual/aircraft, start by doing our collection of sample flights tutorials, that start very basic, once you get the hang of the first one, step on to the next one which will take you one step further in learning, and so on. The philosophy is that you learn best by doing and knowing WHY you are doing it. Last, if you are a systems geek, very experienced simmer or pilot, continue with the systems and real manuals, failure scenarios etc. The real manual is available for free on the net. W

Well we have some thoughts on that. One thing that you get with a "boeing license'...is a license to not only put the boeing name on your product, but also use boeing copyrighted material, including pilot handbooks. Most developers do not like writing customized documentation...it is absolutely tedious work. You need a template, standards and guidelines, standardized headers and graphics, a revision management system, etc. etc (yes we have that). Why do all that when you can just toss the user the real manual and save yourself all that time? I mean, by skipping customized documentation, you can shave months off your delivery date. I'll tell you why, because sim users don't hve 1300+ hours of flying experience and dedicated hours of training. Part of the appeal is having a simulation that you are confident represents the real thing thoroughly, but also having someone show you "the ropes" and walk you through using and enjoying it. We have desgined into the product a series of training manuals to help newbies jump in right away and get flying as soon as they "open the box" but with opportunity for more tutorials in the future. This whole hobby isn't just about the simulation itself, its the enjoyment and satisfaction we get from reading, learning, doing and mastering. We want to help users along the way with that and let them get the most out of it. That is an immense benefit we get with Jan...you get a real airline pilot with real airline experience who is also a dedicated flight simmer and a natural at teaching to help users get the most of out of the simulation. The complexity in most of those products in our opionion isn't the complexity of the aircraft, its the complexity of the documentation Here's a snippet from just one of our WIP training booklets. We'll be shipping with 4 at least, probably more though and will introduce others in the future. TomK IXEG

Sigh, goodbye.