No bearing needles displayed

[jarekp]

Hi,

 

I have bought TBM900 few days ago and I have been enjoying the process of learning and mastering this wonderful airplane. Today I tried to switch on some CDI bearing needles for reference, and found they are not displayed at all. GPS says "No data", VOR displays info in text, but still does not display the needle. I am setting them via PFD menu BRG1 and BRG2, see attached screenshot.  Do I need to do something to enable this feature? I have checked two other G1000 planes (DA62 and C172) and the needles work just fine there (same start, same airport, same scenery, same plugins). Please help! I really like the plane and I would like to take it on long tour ...

Best,

Jarek

[Pils]

Try adding more of a flight plan and you may find the GPS needle starts to work.

Hard to see from the low resolution screenshot what VOR is tuned. Was it ITH?

Compared to the other G1000 equipped aircraft, the TBM includes a custom radio reception simulation so you might just need to be not on the ground to get a bearing pointer.

Edited February 21, 2021 by Pils

[jarekp]

I did test it all in flight first before posting, with (and then without) GPS flight plan. Anyway, "Direct to" is a valid flight plan too :-). It is not related to reception on the ground, but I wanted to post a picture of the problem so I did it on the ground since it was faster.

CDI itself IS working, I can get VOR, LOC and GPS course/deviation on CDI, but I cannot get overlay needles associated with BRG1 and BRG2, they just don't show up. I am using the newest X-Plane with the newest Navigraph data (2101 rev 1).

Please help!

Jarek

[Pils]

It may be valid, but that doesn’t mean the G1000 provided by X-Plane doesn’t have bugs (it has many). The TBM developer can’t overcome every odd behaviour of the G1000. Did you try my flight plan suggestion?

Edited February 22, 2021 by Pils

[jarekp]

Sorry if it was not clear: yes, I have checked with a flight plan, same result. There are no overlay needles for GPS or VOR, CDI itself works.

To be clear I don't blame TBM900 developers for anything, just looking for help. They did great job creating a fantastic add-on plane. I am very familiar with software development and I fully understand that the cost for extensive modifications to Laminar standard G1000 (that are so cool) is inevitably introducing new problems. I have been using lots of various add-ons and all of them have problems here or there, and I can list a lot of known Laminar problems too.  When asking the question in this thread I actually hoped I am doing something wrong, it is by far the easiest and fastest to correct :-).

I am sure generic Laminar G1000 has bugs too, that is why I have compared TBM900 to the other G1000 planes in exactly the same environment. Generic G1000 works with overlay needles, TBM900 G1000 does not. I hope it can be made working soon :-). The needles worked before, I saw them in YouTube TBM900 videos (Reflected Reality Simulation tutorials), so I guess something has changed. Maybe it is related to the Navigraph data format change? Or a fix to this problem in the recent version? Or of course I may be doing something wrong ...

Best,

Jarek

[gscottfuller]

I have had this same problem and never found a solution. Nothing I did had any impact. It's frustrating as I use those bearing needles on other planes for flying airport patterns and other purposes.

[oldflyguy]

Hello guys!  Something is not right somewhere.  I just fired up the latest TBM update to check on this.  LAX - easy to get VOR bearings on several transmitters.  No problem at all.  So what's going on with your sims?  Please post log.txt files - and I believe there are similar files for X-Aviation aircraft as well.  Send those along too.  Not that they will mean anything to me but @Goran_M and others will make sense of them.  Additional thought - if this was a "broad" issue we would have heard more about it here on the forums.  Let's get this solved for you.  The TBM still rules as (one of - had to put that in) the ultimate example of what can be accomplished in this sim.  

[jarekp]

Thanks! I will try to fly tomorrow and post the log. One question - do you have most recent Navigraph data (2101)? It may be related to that ...

Best,

Jarek

[oldflyguy]

Yes, I do.  

[jarekp]

Here is my Log.txt

Best,

Jarek

Log_tbm900.txt

[oldflyguy]

Hi @jarekp!  Please take the following with a grain of salt.  I claim no expertise in XP or with the TBM.  I do have extensive hands on (user) experience with both of these.  So here goes...

The TBM is a complex model.  There's a lot going on under the hood.  This can be an issue with an XP installation that also has a "ton" of plug-in's (yours).  I do think the solution is simple.  Temporarily remove all 3rd party plug-in's to a safe place.  I use a "plugins_DISABLED" folder in my Resources folder.  Makes it easy to just move the stuff around if there's an issue with anything.  Fire up the TBM and see what you get.  If it looks OK, then you know it's not liking one of your plug-in's.  Add them back one at a time and see what you get - that part is a PIA.  I do use most of the tried and true plug-in's in my install as do you.  But there are many plug-in's I don't recognize - and - I don't do VR so I realize my input is limited here.  I will go out on a limb and say it is one (or more) of those many plug-in's that is your issue.

[jarekp]

Unfortunately I agree with you, the problem seems to be limited to some users so it follows it must be related to user configuration/environment. I was afraid it is the case from the beginning. I have been through this process a couple times to diagnose various issues and it is PIA. Oh well, what needs to be done needs to be done. Many plugins are self contained, or need to be called/activated to do something, prime suspects are obviously the "intrusive" ones like Pilot2ATC, TrafficGlobal, SAM and similar. I have already removed Data Ref Tool and Data Ref Editor, I use them in development of checklists and vrconfig files and forgot to move out. Sadly no difference. 

I fly exclusively in VR, if done right the level of immersion is unparalleled. Highly recommended! BTW, I have checked in 2D too, same problem, so the missing overlay needles are not directly related to VR.

I will post when I find something - or if I cannot find anything.

Thanks!

Jarek

Edited February 25, 2021 by jarekp