Perfect explanation and thanks. I'll have get the dataref for the Max detent and assign that to the high value. I fly in the hud view must of the time so when I push the stick up I'll know where it's at. Xjoymap has been my xplane savior, without it I wouldn't even bother, with the different developers using different datarefs and all, it's my central depository for my commands. I will fly no plane with a mouse, click, or swipe, I don't drive my truck that way, I don't drive my boat that way and I will not PRETEND to fly a plane that way