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We're definitely considering this. A break is in order since we have worked very hard on this project for so long, but I believe everyone will like what our future lineup holds.

This one is pretty easy. If you are experiencing NO fps change, then this would be due to your massive resolution causing your GPU to use up as much fill rate as is essentially present. I don't know your system, but you are really stretching it with that resolution and this add-on. If you "have" to have HDR on then you have to live with what you have. Laminar is not done with optimizing HDR, and until they are, I don't know what else to tell you. It's known there are issues with HDR as a whole. No doubt, it is beautiful at night though! Here's the skinny, folks: We're at an interesting point in X-Plane development. We can either stick with status quo, or we can push the boundaries and show others in the MSFS "what's up." There have been some GREAT simulations released over the years, but one of the most common things I hear about these simulated products is that the 3D is either "bad, lacking, sucks, or okay" and the textures are "not very good". We're changing that. The reality is the Saab has been VERY well received thus far, and we're VERY happy with the sales so far. I have yet to receive an e-mail from any customer about this, and those who have complained are right here in this thread. It's a very small group. Hardware will continue to get better, and we will continue to be able (collectively as users of X-Plane) to adjust our settings for the better. The MSFS world has been doing this for YEARS. Had we made a sub-par design, hardware could get better, but our design would never change. I think once Laminar gets around to smoothing out more HDR issues and how it renders, we'll be on a good track and everyone will be happy. There will be a few bad apples, but overall things should be good. The Saab is definitely NOT unusable by any means, especially with people seeing such high speed increases with HDR off. This alone should tell you that the Saab is not the issue, but how HDR renders and is not yet fully optimized is. I would love nothing more than for HDR to just work, because the Saab has some amazing night lighting with it. For this, setting adjustments may be necessary. I am away from home right now, but when I get back into the office I will definitely test out more settings for HDR and see what I can provide as help for people. If we could control this, we would, but we won't sacrifice the look of a beautiful product that runs without issue and with great frame rates for 99% of people with HDR off.

We simulated the Pro Line II system per spec. As such, there may be features that do not work with GF hardware and you'll need to contact the developer of that plugin to look into it. Jim will respond here. I have only ever seen this on HDR, and it is a rendering artifact up to Laminar to improve when they get time. Considering the A never had an FMS, it's not "missing". 32-bit? Ancient. Time to push people to move forward (developers especially).

Emalice, That's fine, and I understand your side, but again the third and more important manual is left out of those downloads as I have said. Anyways, we'll consider.

Shane, If you're gaining 10 fps with HDR off, please tell me what your actual FPS is? I have the same video card as you, running extreme at a higher screen res than you and I'm able to easily attain 30+ fps.

There are three manuals for the CRJ. As I said, one was left out, and remains that way today. Considering I released that aircraft, I'm quite privy to the situation. Sure!

We'll consider it. If you liked the CRJ then surely you would like this one. The primary systems manual is 209 pages, so our documentation is rather extensive and nothing we went "cheap" on. For the CRJ we actually did NOT release the primary manual, nor did Javier.

No coincidence for sure, but it sure puts a smile on my face to see Nicolas and Co. react to something we do.

PLEASE read the Quick Start manual! This topic is now marked as solved.

Two questions: 1. HDR on or off? 2. What screen resolution with that video card? I'm going to discuss this a bit more with Laminar this week, but here's the primary deal, folks: HDR has some neat features (especially the night lighting) but is yet to be optimized still to where Laminar wants it. We've made an add-on that's VERY detailed. I don't mean offense to other products, but in most cases I have yet to see a product as detailed in 3D as this one. It's not about proper or improper modeling habits as much as it is pushing the limits and envelope. As with any add-on, we must learn to adjust. I personally have never had much issues (and I've flown the Saab A LOT), but looking back on it, it's probably because over the various X-Plane versions I have felt that HDR has gotten WORSE and not better. The contrast is just one thing that kills it off, and the way that AA renders in it can either be an eyesore or a slideshow in most instances. As such, more often than not these days I leave HDR off unless doing night flights. As the X-Plane market grows and more detailed add-ons come out (especially scenery) we will start to see these issues become even more obvious. Please realize what you're dealing with here. We're only just getting around that curve where we match what people like MSFS have had for years. They have even services and guides just to learn how to optimize your settings because of stuff like this and how big that market is! For now, regretfully, my suggestion is to keep HDR off. I hate to offer this as a suggestion, because I love it when people enjoy our products how YOU want to enjoy them. That said, there are two sides to ever coin, and that's where we are in this juncture of X-Plane development. Luckily, hardware rapidly gets faster and better year and year (if not faster). P.S.: PLEASE don't waste your own time by trying to re-install the Saab with the lower res version. It will NOT improve your FPS if you have a video card that we deciphered can truly handle the higher res version. The only time anyone would notice change is if they have a low res capable version card but did not answer the installer question truthfully and selected higher res instead.

WAIT! One thing I am seeing you miss in what you're telling us is you do not seem to be moving your condition levers out of the START position! You need to advance your levers from START, to UNF, to MAX!

The installer requires a copy of X-Plane 10 to be present. It's somewhat complicated to do it as you want it, because we install everything on your machine (not just the aircraft) to make sure things operate right for you. So you know, the installer does support resume in the instance your connection drops.

Only concerned about ours. Comparing another model is like apples to oranges. Not the same.

Thanks. HDR seems to be the biggest common factor between all of you so far.

Okay, Can you guys please test switching between various shadow settings and turning off HDR to see what kind of differences this makes?

I am almost certain that the global shadows are causing your issues. Please try overlay or 3D aircraft shadows. As usual, HDR is a killer on most systems for the moment too. I alternate between it, but just play with these settings (I personally think HDR is too contrasty in the day anyhow).

If you're running 'Very High' and getting low fps like that, something is amiss. It should be much better. Please post your settings as well. For reference: I run this on an i5 2500k with a 4GB GTX 680 and get 45-50fps on extreme res in most scenarios.

This is not possible to do because our plug-in overrides X-Plane and simulates the engine system itself.

Can you guys post your full computer specs by chance?

Hey, Chris, Check out the AutoStart feature if you don't want to learn how to do it yourself! You'll see a quick start tutorial in your manuals folder. That would be here.

Even this one has got me before! Let us know how you do!

There is a paint kit here: http://forums.x-pilot.com/files/file/564-take-command-saab-340a-paint-kit/

That's fine. Just realize the research and time that went into this. We were granted some pretty nice access to get this stuff right. Any photo will have distortion, especially when we talk about angles and scales. That photo you posted of two pilots on the inside makes it look SO much smaller than it really is.

I don't really have too much to say in here other than having had my eyes bleed out over blueprints and CADs, I disagree. In a simulated environment we have FOV differentials depending on a user by user basis, and depending on your settings things can appear more or less skewed when they are not. If you put the Saab over a manufacturer CAD it's almost unfair how accurate it is. Side window slanting is going to vary depending on weight configuration of the aircraft. The model is accurate. Sorry if you're left upset here. We must be doing something right if it comes down to the size of people sitting in a cockpit.