Hueyman Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Hello Been using this cool device with no problem on DCS, but never succeed to really make it works great in X-Plane ... I tried PilotView plugin from lord Barbour, but never succeed to got great values ... Anyone using this one with X-Plane 10 ( I use 10.22 64bits ) with good values to start tweaking from ? At least to be in the ballpark ? Thanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephendi Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yes works perfect on mac with linuxtrack, but need much time to perfecr setup for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWJT8D Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 It works great for me. I found that you must turn the speed down to somewhere in the 0.5 range - find what you like. Once you get to 1.0 or above it gets very very sensitive in X-Plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryoski Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Works a treat for me as well. Make sure Trueview is selected too ... and I use PilotView as well (Sandy's plugin). Another thing to remember that catches some people out is that when using PilotView, you need to disable TrackIR in the X-Plane interface itself .. everything happens thru PilotView. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Ok thanks I'll give it a try ! But once, I had success with pilotview, but eachtime I went outside and then 3D cockpit again, I had to reactivate the plugin ... I hope it's a mistake from my side, as if it's like it should be used, it is not ergonomic at all !! In default X-Plane Track IR management, I spend half my life outside the plane ... backseat or on the roof ! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryoski Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 When you leave cockpit view and get back into cockpit view you have to re-enable TrackIR in PilotView.I just assign a joystick button to do that ... can't remember what my key combo is .. but I think it's Ctrl / .. off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 But... that is totally dumb isn't it ?!!! In all other sim, the Track IR only deactivate on ext.view then automatically re-enable when entering in the cockpit again ... Any line to edit in this plugin to make it automatic ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryoski Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) But... that is totally dumb isn't it ?!!! In all other sim, the Track IR only deactivate on ext.view then automatically re-enable when entering in the cockpit again ... Any line to edit in this plugin to make it automatic ? No it's not 'totally dumb' ... it's a manifestation of a perspective that doesn't match yours. I use the work-around that I proscribed and it works well for me. I'm also eminently grateful to Sandy Barbour for creating the plugin in the first place. My suggestion to you is that you either;Write your own plugin that suites your modus operandi, or Find a way to communicate with some sense of humility (i.e. lose your air of entitlement), with Sandy Barbour, or ... RTFM ... it's all in the manual, and you're exhibiting impatience and impetuosity ... both traits that can get a young pilot killed ... especially if they're thinking of a career in Army Aviation ... trust me I know. Edited October 10, 2013 by Kris Pryo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 He he please do not talk about what you do not know thanks ;-) Then, I took time to search here and there before actually post here to ask for help, as I'm using this little device for all over sims without problem. It just started to be sad not to be able to use it on my favorite simulator. Also, if the man ( and trust I'm thankfully to him for doing such work ) decide only to fullfill his wishes, then why release it to the public ? I mean, 95% of the Track IR supported games/sims do not require to re-activate that plugin each time you switch view that is really annoying. I have already the F12 re-centering control mapped to the Warthog, don't want to loose another button to frantically press it to enable what should be the default mode of operation. Now, if you want to tell me how I must think, then we won't be OK man. Don't get me wrong, I have respect for everyone here and elsewhere but yes, I say what I have to say whever it satisfy the one or not. I am not in the Army like you said I'm on a friendly forum for a great civil flight simulator, you are not my immediate superior and so I have no particular attitude to get toward you, except politeness of course. And finally, I will listen to the beginning of your 3rd comment, I'll take time to read the manual, and will see if it is possible to correct it ty my tastes. I think that if the plugin deactivate, there may be a reason : maybe if it's still active, it would also act in external view as X-Plane current view logic uses right mouse button + mouse movements to actuate view. Probably there is a tiny parameter that would allow it not to stop each time I change view. Anyway, if he did this like that there is probably a constraint somewhere, because no, this is not a user-friendly way to look around. Some funny fact I could find to compare this would be : Imagine in real life, being in a car looking around with my head ( normal ) then stop and go outside car ... then my head would be stuck in a direction, and I would need to hit the floor with my right foot one time to re-activate my ability to look around with my head ... and same when I enter again in the car ... think about it Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Props to you, Kris. Hueyman may not get it, but I say majority of all us others do. Thank you for your sensible posts time and time again! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryoski Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Thanks Cameron, I appreciate it! *************************************************** @ Hueyman, live and learn my young friend. Just remember ... everything you do or say has an outcome (there're always consequences). You can either help to shape it to your benefit ... or get caught up in the current and wonder why things happen. Everyone has exactly the same set of choices . Edited October 10, 2013 by Kris Pryo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Things will surely get better as I become an old man Will you tell me you were " behaving politically correct " when you were 18 ? I don't think so, as it's normal ... probably only the life will " shape " a young man to become relativist in his statements .. maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryoski Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Will you tell me you were " behaving politically correct " when you were 18 ? Mate, when I was 18 I was sheeting my britches .. wondering what the hell I'd gotten myself into.I also had a healthy respect for my 'elders' as my survival depended upon it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Russell Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 THis problem could be solved easily with some scripting or a plugin..... listen for the command: "activate 3d cockpit"fire the command: "enable track it"continue with the command: "activate 3d cockpit" probably 20 lines of Gizmo script would do it.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 THis problem could be solved easily with some scripting or a plugin.....probably 20 lines of Gizmo script would do it.... So, please could you do something ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryoski Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 So, please could you do something ? Woa there! A man of your outstanding abilities is asking someone else to do your work for you? C'mon, Ben's given you a gift ... and you still want stuff without expending any sweat yourself? Not cool man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 A man of your outstanding abilities What is the problem with you Pryo ? How can you say such things. I know to do things that I know, and I do not know to do things that I don't know that sounds logic isn't it ? And I do not want to learn how to use Gizmo for that, if you guys won't help then it's no problem, I just don't see the point of replying to this particular thread then ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pryoski Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) What is the problem with you Pryo ? How can you say such things. I know to do things that I know, and I do not know to do things that I don't know that sounds logic isn't it ? And I do not want to learn how to use Gizmo for that, if you guys won't help then it's no problem, I just don't see the point of replying to this particular thread then ... Which brings us back to square one.My impression Valentin, is that you demand for things to happen and readily criticize the effort that other people have made ... e.g. Sandy Barbour in this particular thread.How do you think he would feel after he's shared his effort, to hear (or see) the opinion that his implementation is "totally dumb"?You then go on to propose what should be done to 'fix it' .. again without regard to the effort and toil of another person.This is not a case of being 'politically incorrect', it's a case of needing to understand some common sense and manners. If you can do .. then do. If you can't do but criticize those that do .. you lose all credibility, and that takes a bit of work to recover. Edited October 10, 2013 by Kris Pryo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 God knows I have nothing against him and even do not know who he is before looking for Track IR and X-Plane stuff. I just said that because yes I find this implementation quite unusual and not user-friedly at all, and I saw on the other forum that I'm not the only one. If you are pleased to click 50 buttons each time you want to change view that is nice, but personally I don't, and it is not a reason to learn how to code just for change that. Anyway, all those posts probably for nothing as with that I still did not have the chance to read the manual, so I will go to do it right now. And yes, " a bit of work to recover " ? I don't care about reputation, it is done for me since the early beginning : people appreciate me, hates me, I really don't care I'm not member of those forums to find friends, I have a couple of in the real world, but to find support and interested people in this sim, where we can share our common love for virtual flying things. But sadly, 75% of time it's arguing and proving everyone is right like we are doing here 3/4 of this thread ... I agree with you on the fact I should change my way to communicate, but you know, people are like they are, and very few things can actually change them, so it's not through a screen it will Now, once again I have to say the matter closed, if you want to continue this game please let's go PM, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Garcia Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Valentin, Kris is giving you some words of wisdom and you're becoming very defensive over it. He's not even being rude, but he is trying to let you know that your way of discussing this matter with people here is a lot of self-centered-like behavior. Anyways, Ben is right. This is a perfect use for something fun and quick in Gizmo. Because of this thread I just went and challenged myself to a have a little fun and wrote a little program that will automatically enable Sandy's Pilot View whenever in the cockpit, even if you come from exterior back to interior. It was also a good excuse to get my TrackIR off the shelf. All in all this took about 30 minutes to write after going through Sandy's docs, using dataref editor, writing, and testing. I bet you could have a lot of fun and enjoy the feeling of being rewarded visually with something that works if you just put your mind to it. Gizmo has freely available docs to accomplish what you need as well, so there's really no excuse unless you just don't want it that bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Ok will follow your advices guys, Sorry for the bad reaction, Thanks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandiss Posted October 13, 2013 Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Hi Cameron, That sounds like an interesting little program. Are you going to put it in the library for us non-programming types. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueyman Posted October 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2013 Maybe they will send it to you via PM ;-) Because it seems they really want me to work hard to achieve that by myself hehe Just joking, don't take it bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leporello Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Any chance to get the Gizmo routine?I'd like to start learning how to use editor, data ref and C++ but unfortunately with 3 kids all I can do on late evening is enjoy XPX freshly installed and barely anything else.I hope Cameron can PM. I swear, not a byte will be sent to Hueyman Edited January 17, 2014 by Leporello Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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