Advice Needed

[oregonboy109]

Hey everyone, my birthdays coming up and im looking to treat myself with a new aircraft. Im trying to decide between the B772LR and the CRJ200. I've read a lot of reviews/opinions on these two aircraft and while it seems like are a few inaccuracies with the 777 (nose wheel), ive always had a sweet spot for the T-7 and there are no other quality models for xplane. The CRJ is a beautiful aircraft as well but I already own the ERJ, the Q, the SSJ and the E170 so the CRJ wouldnt be filling a void in my fleet like the 777 would. Still trying to make up my mind but in the meantime I was wondering how frame rate heavy these two are. I can run the aircraft listed above with no problem so I feel like there wont be a problem but it would be nice to hear from people who have first hand experience. Also any info about these two beautiful birds would be much appreciated. 

Thanks!

-Sam

[BWolf7]

I personally prefer the 777, but the CRJ has amazing preformance, eye-candy, and immersion.

[Peter T.]

Highly recommended the CRJ over the T7, if youre looking for a T7 wait for XPJ777, which would be released sonetime in the future...sometime....

[Femke]

If you buy the CRJ200 take note that the model sold here is from X-aviation and as such is waiting for its' 64 bit plugin update before you can use it in x-plane 64 bit mode. Although it works fine in 32 bit if you want to wait.

You can purchase the CRJ200 from other outlets that uses different 64 bit plugins so it does work but I am not certain if it is as stable as the one that X-Aviation will be issuing.

 

Cameron here can give you a bit more information if you need it.

Edited May 8, 2013 by Femke

[oregonboy109]

I personally prefer the 777, but the CRJ has amazing preformance, eye-candy, and immersion.

Thanks for the reply, do you own the t7? If so how is it in terms of performance?

[andydckent]

CRJ is way more fun to fly than the T7, however, the most fun plane I own is the FlyJ Sim 727 (I love to fly the Cargo one as it's still in service) so you might consider that? Only thing is that it doesn't really have an FMC with SIDS or STARS if that's what your after?

Edited May 8, 2013 by andydckent

[Ntr09]

I do really love the CRJ, very immersive and accurate. Mine is a boxed copy from Aerosoft, I received it as a gift.

 

-NR

[oregonboy109]

Thanks for the replies, I am leaning towards the crj at this point. With that said there are 3 vendors that offer this aircraft. Aerosofts boxed version is something im very interested in. The .org and aerosoft have a 64bit compatible version while xaviation does not. Why is this and are the the .org/aerosoft versions unstable or unfinished because of the early compatibility with xp10 64bit?

 

-Sam

[Cameron]

Thanks for the replies, I am leaning towards the crj at this point. With that said there are 3 vendors that offer this aircraft. Aerosofts boxed version is something im very interested in. The .org and aerosoft have a 64bit compatible version while xaviation does not. Why is this and are the the .org/aerosoft versions unstable or unfinished because of the early compatibility with xp10 64bit?

 

-Sam

 

I can't speak for stability on the others, but it's partly the reason for the hold back at X-Aviation, with needed fixes being implemented for X-Aviation to comfortably release with version 10.3 of X-Plane (Laminar is fixing some stuff).

 

We are very, very close on the XA side to releasing our 64-bit version. Stability and quality are the two most important factors for us.

[sqrt(-1)]

Highly recommended the CRJ over the T7, if youre looking for a T7 wait for XPJ777, which would be released sonetime in the future...sometime....

 

I own both.  The CRJ is certainly prettier and well executed.  The 777 has only a few flaws in the grand scheme of things, but it's still a formidible piece of work and well-supported.

 

The OP indicated he already has some smaller jet aircraft, so the 777 would certainly fill a void.  Given the amount time I personally have spent waiting for the XPJ777 vaporjet, I feel that the investment in the R&P 777 is still money well spent.  I would be willing to bet money the 777 gets at least two more significant updates based on customer feedback before XPJ delivers their first version.

 

If nothing else, time spent learning the 777 systems on a model available right now will be worthwhile.  In the event the XPJ actually comes through, and maybe if it's better, a decision can be made at that time to add it to the hangar.  This is precisely my plan as well.

Edited May 8, 2013 by SqrtOfNegOne

[BWolf7]

The CRJ is an old aircraft, released a few years ago. Until the release of the 777, it held the title of "most realistic" airliner. The eyecandy and visuals are pretty much the same, except the CRJ might be a bit better. Systems are extremely well simulated in the 777, with an awesome FMS. Both CDU's are made by Phillip Munzel, who is an amazingly talented programmer. I would wait for the 757, because it is the best of both worlds. Textures are not cartoony, they are by Kamsin, the avionics are just as realistic, and it is a new HQ airliner to the XP community.

[Peter T.]

eyecandy of the 77 is high, but it has many flaws in the modelling which leads me to continue waiting for the xpj777

 

*EDIT* ...I just repeated what i said several times

Edited May 9, 2013 by Peter T.

[sqrt(-1)]

eyecandy of the 77 is high, but it has many flaws in the modelling which leads me to continue waiting for the xpj777

 

*EDIT* ...I just repeated what i said several times

 

If one is genuinely interested in flying the plane and learning its systems rather than merely examining eyecandy, the flaws are largely irrelevant.

 

Besides, Sam (the original poster) wanted an aircraft for his birthday, not his retirement. 

 

You are certainly welcome to keep waiting for the XPJ777 vaporjet.  You are young enough. 

[Peter T.]

If one is genuinely interested in flying the plane and learning its systems rather than merely examining eyecandy

The CRJ has both accurate and detailed 3d modelling and system, so you're telling me that one should buy a plane with crappy exterior with good systems over a plane that has both qualities?

[sqrt(-1)]

The CRJ has both accurate and detailed 3d modelling and system, so you're telling me that one should buy a plane with crappy exterior with good systems over a plane that has both qualities?

 

Saying the exterior of the R&P777 is 'crappy' is extreme, disrespectful its developers, and merely an opinion of your own.  There are plenty of 777 customers, like myself, that truly enjoy it despite its minor blemishes.  Sam must obviously have looked at quite a few screenshots of the R&P777 before even determining it to be a viable candidate.  He also indicated in his original post the 777 would better fill the void in his inventory of payware.  And besides, since all anyone has seen of the XPJ 777 are pretty pictures, how can one be truly sure of its systems? 

 

Peter, it's obvious you are enthusiastic about the XPJ, but the point you're missing is that you might actually have an argument if it was available now.  Then, a true comparison could be intelligently discussed.  But it's been vaporware for a long time with not even an approximate release window, much less a date.

 

It's time for me to go to work...

[Peter T.]

Saying the exterior of the R&P777 is 'crappy' is extreme, disrespectful its developers, and merely an opinion of your own.  There are plenty of 777 customers, like myself, that truly enjoy it despite its minor blemishes.  Sam must obviously have looked at quite a few screenshots of the R&P777 before even determining it to be a viable candidate.  He also indicated in his original post the 777 would better fill the void in his inventory of payware.  And besides, since all anyone has seen of the XPJ 777 are pretty pictures, how can one be truly sure of its systems? 

 

Peter, it's obvious you are enthusiastic about the XPJ, but the point you're missing is that you might actually have an argument if it was available now.  Then, a true comparison could be intelligently discussed.  But it's been vaporware for a long time with not even an approximate release window, much less a date.

 

It's time for me to go to work...

 

Nope, He asked which one to choose, so I recommended him the CRJ. By crappy I mean modelling with pretty low in terms of accuracy, no matter how much detail one puts in the model (e.g. flap mechanics) what matters to me, is how accurate the details and the model are. But, I agree that "crappy" is a strong word, and I wont use it again in my posts.

 

I hoped they would fix the flaws, but they didn't even after numerous request from other users. I for instance follow people's suggestions on improving my add-ons.

[Ntr09]

The numerous flaws of R&P's 777 kept me from buying it. Just wasn't 'up to snuff' as they say.

 

Look out payware devs, if your stuff isn't good enough, people will ridicule it. Imagine that.

 

-NR

[scubajuan_new]

In my opinion, the CRJ200 is the best out there still. As some have pointed out has excellent 3D model throughout, very accurate fly model as super detailed systems simulated, custom FMC and the a few super nice eye candy extras, like the working wipers, icing etc. A good second is the FlyJsim 727. It has and awesome 3D cockpit, not the whole plane( passenger/ cargo cabin) is modelled. It flies really nice and is a great plane to keep your radio navigation skills up to date. No FMC here although the CIVA is available but in my opinion having to program a route waypoint by waypoint sucks. It can use XFMC or UFMC if this is a most. The pricing is a bit  annoying, having to pay extra for all the versions and liveries.
You mention that you already have the ERJ which is a similar plane (to the CRJ, that is) yes it is but not the X-Plane versions. The CRJ is way superior in overall quality and systems implemented. If you have them both the ERJ will be benched for sure.

The 777 is a nice plane, has its pros and cons, as far as the inaccuracies in the modelling, I didn't even notice them. The programming is outstanding, like you would come to expect from Phillip. Is the only FMC in the sim world that I've seen where you can program the alternate airport and also helps to navigate on the ground, specially in the large airports where I always get lost hehe. My problem with this plane is that I hardly ever make a flight more than 2 hours long, for me the preflight, departure, approach and landing is where all the fun is. The cruising portion of the flight is kind of boring, especially if the plane flies by it self. I would have to take a seat in the first class cabin and enjoy the inflight entertainment to enjoy a long flight.

Peter's  Aircraft Airbuses are really good in simulating procedures and systems but the modelling is not the best out there. Some don't even have 3D cockpit and they use the default FMC which is nothing like an airbus one at all. Maybe some day he would partner with a 3D artist and put all those nice systems in a beautiful plane, concentrate in programming what is missing and leave the visuals to a specialist (Japo for instance )

Oh yeah, turbo props, there are a few and more coming soon. There is the ATR (which i haven't seen yet) the Q400, the J32 and the Saab coming soon. I am waiting impatiently for the Saab release. the J32 is very nice, challenging to master and a superb modelling from the master him self. It has it's peculiarities setting it up, but once you understand the procedure is not a big deal. compared to the Q400 no doubts i keep the J32. I think the Saab is going to kick a@@ when it comes out.

 

In the general aviation department there's a bunch to chose from. I don't have many of these, but the ones I have are a joy to fly. The Corvalis TT has a functional G1000 with map and terrain, pretty sweet. The C152 is an excellent choice for VFR flights to enjoy the scenery. The MU-2 looks fantastic and I have only hear good things about it. I don't have any of the Carenado planes, but they all seem very nice. I just don't need another GA plane right now, whith what I have and the default ones is enough for me for the time being. Ah! I almost forget the Mentor, how could I. It is absolutely beautiful and is a joy to fly. I take it out of the hangar when I am in the mood for some aerobatics, race down a canyon or chase a GA AI traffic to attempt formation flying. Is just a lot of fun and another master piece from The Master Javier Rollon. Business jets... LES just anounced the Citation II but it might be a while until it comes out. The Challenger 300 is ok but not all systems are modelled and if you come from the CRJ200 it feels like a toy. 

But if you could delay your birthday present... wait for the IXEG 737 Classic to be released. I can assure you there will be no disappointment there. Not only it is being made by the X-Plane's demigods, it will have all the bells and whistles and will handle almost like the real thing. Following the development in this forum and seeing what the developers have shown us, no doubts it will be the best thing that happened to X-Plane since X-Plane 10 it self.

 

I hope this helps and happy birthday

[Nicola_M]

But if you could delay your birthday present... wait for the IXEG 737 Classic to be released. I can assure you there will be no disappointment there. Not only it is being made by the X-Plane's demigods, it will have all the bells and whistles and will handle almost like the real thing. Following the development in this forum and seeing what the developers have shown us, no doubts it will be the best thing that happened to X-Plane since X-Plane 10 it self.

 

 

I agree, that's going to be THE acf of the year, if not the decade.  If there's just one thing that would convince me to go xp10, the IXEG 737 is it.

[oregonboy109]

In my opinion, the CRJ200 is the best out there still. As some have pointed out has excellent 3D model throughout, very accurate fly model as super detailed systems simulated, custom FMC and the a few super nice eye candy extras, like the working wipers, icing etc. A good second is the FlyJsim 727. It has and awesome 3D cockpit, not the whole plane( passenger/ cargo cabin) is modelled. It flies really nice and is a great plane to keep your radio navigation skills up to date. No FMC here although the CIVA is available but in my opinion having to program a route waypoint by waypoint sucks. It can use XFMC or UFMC if this is a most. The pricing is a bit  annoying, having to pay extra for all the versions and liveries.

You mention that you already have the ERJ which is a similar plane (to the CRJ, that is) yes it is but not the X-Plane versions. The CRJ is way superior in overall quality and systems implemented. If you have them both the ERJ will be benched for sure.

The 777 is a nice plane, has its pros and cons, as far as the inaccuracies in the modelling, I didn't even notice them. The programming is outstanding, like you would come to expect from Phillip. Is the only FMC in the sim world that I've seen where you can program the alternate airport and also helps to navigate on the ground, specially in the large airports where I always get lost hehe. My problem with this plane is that I hardly ever make a flight more than 2 hours long, for me the preflight, departure, approach and landing is where all the fun is. The cruising portion of the flight is kind of boring, especially if the plane flies by it self. I would have to take a seat in the first class cabin and enjoy the inflight entertainment to enjoy a long flight.

Peter's  Aircraft Airbuses are really good in simulating procedures and systems but the modelling is not the best out there. Some don't even have 3D cockpit and they use the default FMC which is nothing like an airbus one at all. Maybe some day he would partner with a 3D artist and put all those nice systems in a beautiful plane, concentrate in programming what is missing and leave the visuals to a specialist (Japo for instance )

Oh yeah, turbo props, there are a few and more coming soon. There is the ATR (which i haven't seen yet) the Q400, the J32 and the Saab coming soon. I am waiting impatiently for the Saab release. the J32 is very nice, challenging to master and a superb modelling from the master him self. It has it's peculiarities setting it up, but once you understand the procedure is not a big deal. compared to the Q400 no doubts i keep the J32. I think the Saab is going to kick a@@ when it comes out.

 

In the general aviation department there's a bunch to chose from. I don't have many of these, but the ones I have are a joy to fly. The Corvalis TT has a functional G1000 with map and terrain, pretty sweet. The C152 is an excellent choice for VFR flights to enjoy the scenery. The MU-2 looks fantastic and I have only hear good things about it. I don't have any of the Carenado planes, but they all seem very nice. I just don't need another GA plane right now, whith what I have and the default ones is enough for me for the time being. Ah! I almost forget the Mentor, how could I. It is absolutely beautiful and is a joy to fly. I take it out of the hangar when I am in the mood for some aerobatics, race down a canyon or chase a GA AI traffic to attempt formation flying. Is just a lot of fun and another master piece from The Master Javier Rollon. Business jets... LES just anounced the Citation II but it might be a while until it comes out. The Challenger 300 is ok but not all systems are modelled and if you come from the CRJ200 it feels like a toy. 

But if you could delay your birthday present... wait for the IXEG 737 Classic to be released. I can assure you there will be no disappointment there. Not only it is being made by the X-Plane's demigods, it will have all the bells and whistles and will handle almost like the real thing. Following the development in this forum and seeing what the developers have shown us, no doubts it will be the best thing that happened to X-Plane since X-Plane 10 it self.

 

I hope this helps and happy birthday

Thank you very much for putting the time in to write this! It was very helpful and brought to mind some things I had not considered. I had totally forgotten about the ATR! I will surely look into that. The Saab is also a very good optiion and you brought up a good point about the 777. I too don't do many flights that would take advantage of its incredible range. 

Thank you again for the great reply,

-Sam

[oregonboy109]

Just an update everyone, I went a completly different route and got a yoke/throttle and pedals as well as the A36 Bonanza. Very happy with the Bonanza and the rest should be here in a week or so!

Edited June 2, 2013 by oregonboy109

[BWolf7]

Great decision! What controller? The proflight setup?

[oregonboy109]

yes, saitek proflight yoke system and proflight pedals.

[BWolf7]

Good choice! Thats what I have.

[OlaHaldor]

If you can, get another set of TQ. Those extra levers really help with multi engine operations!