Carenado PA28 181 ARCHER II released!

[woweezowee]

listed on their products page for xplane:

http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Portal/index.php?accion=product&correl=58

costs: 25.95$.

[whiskeyportal]

hopefully their next release will be a 206 or the 208.

[MaidenFan]

hopefully their next release will be a 206 or the 208.

+1. I'm on the fence about this one still. If it has new features, I'll get it, but if not, I'll wait for a bigger and better plane.

[steven winslow]

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[woweezowee]

that's right... don't know why they put it up there with a "buy"-button too early...

[woweezowee]

it's offline now, I adjusted my initial post.

yeah, about that c206 and especially the c208 - I'm waiting for the latter already a very long time. I own one in FSE . I'm equally looking forward to Toms version of that plane.

[Jack Skieczius]

I LOVE Ga, but i don't think i will be buying any more of the Carenado planes for X-Plane until they have someone converting them that knows two shits about how to make a plane fly right in X-Plane. If a GA plane dosn't flight right, then it is absolutely useless.

[OlaHaldor]

As long as X-Aviation don't sell Carenado planes, I won't touch it. They were great for FS9, but I'm a bit more aware of quality now than before.

[MaidenFan]

The 152 was a blast to fly, but the Saratoga had some very weird flight model characteristics. When I gave it flaps, the nose shot up and I had to give it insane amounts of elevator trim. I know real planes don't react to flap input at that level. If the flight model is insanely nice, I'll probably buy it. If not, I don't think many people will buy it.

[woweezowee]

I like the C152 very much and sure hope the Archer will be in the same league.

[MaidenFan]

I like the C152 very much and sure hope the Archer will be in the same league.

If the Archer matches up to the C152, I'll definitely get it. Carenado gets better every release, so I'm hoping this trend continues

[Warmbrak]

It definitely looks great. Does anyone know whether this one has an autopilot? I see a circuit breaker for it in the screenshots, but cannot see a panel or buttons for it. I hope the new C210 Carenado is working on makes it to X-Plane as well.

[TedG]

but the Saratoga had some very weird flight model characteristics. When I gave it flaps, the nose shot up and I had to give it insane amounts of elevator trim.

I didn't actually note anything like that with the Saratoga. I found it to be extremely docile even when adding flaps-perhaps a smidge nose up. In fact my only real complaint regarding the aircraft was even the slightest pitch up made seeing over the nose difficult which makes final approaches a bit tricky until you get used to the view.

I am also curious regarding this statement:

someone converting them that knows two shits about how to make a plane fly right in X-Plane.

Could you elaborate further? The reason I ask is having just finished a rather exhaustive review I am sort of surprised to hear this with regard to the Saratoga. These are the first significant negative comments I have read about that particular model and Carenado in general.

[woweezowee]

took me already 5 hours to fly the CRJ the second time today, so only made a very short trip with the Archer. Summary: Flight model seems good as far as I can tell after those few minutes. But the gauges, generelly the graphics inside, they are not as good as the other models. It's obvious it is an old model (for MSFS). Outside it's definetaly a beauty. Prediction: Won't fly it as much as the C152 or Saratoga, more in the "Mooney"-league for me, wich I also use very seldom.

[MaidenFan]

but the Saratoga had some very weird flight model characteristics. When I gave it flaps, the nose shot up and I had to give it insane amounts of elevator trim.

I didn't actually note anything like that with the Saratoga. I found it to be extremely docile even when adding flaps-perhaps a smidge nose up. In fact my only real complaint regarding the aircraft was even the slightest pitch up made seeing over the nose difficult which makes final approaches a bit tricky until you get used to the view.

I am also curious regarding this statement:

someone converting them that knows two shits about how to make a plane fly right in X-Plane.

Could you elaborate further? The reason I ask is having just finished a rather exhaustive review I am sort of surprised to hear this with regard to the Saratoga. These are the first significant negative comments I have read about that particular model and Carenado in general.

I just did a flight to test the flaps. When I went from none to full flaps, the nose shot up to almost 90 degrees vertical. When I took away the flaps, the nose plummeted towards the ground. Maybe I'm not at very appropriate speeds or something like that, but it shouldn't be that drastic. I have flown in GA's before and the plane did not act like that when I gave it flaps. I'm not sure how your result was the complete opposite of mine...

[TedG]

but the Saratoga had some very weird flight model characteristics. When I gave it flaps, the nose shot up and I had to give it insane amounts of elevator trim.

I didn't actually note anything like that with the Saratoga. I found it to be extremely docile even when adding flaps-perhaps a smidge nose up. In fact my only real complaint regarding the aircraft was even the slightest pitch up made seeing over the nose difficult which makes final approaches a bit tricky until you get used to the view.

I am also curious regarding this statement:

someone converting them that knows two shits about how to make a plane fly right in X-Plane.

Could you elaborate further? The reason I ask is having just finished a rather exhaustive review I am sort of surprised to hear this with regard to the Saratoga. These are the first significant negative comments I have read about that particular model and Carenado in general.

I just did a flight to test the flaps. When I went from none to full flaps, the nose shot up to almost 90 degrees vertical. When I took away the flaps, the nose plummeted towards the ground. Maybe I'm not at very appropriate speeds or something like that, but it shouldn't be that drastic. I have flown in GA's before and the plane did not act like that when I gave it flaps. I'm not sure how your result was the complete opposite of mine...

Hi Perry,

Cheers for responding although I am at a loss how to explain the disconnect between your experience and my own. While I have noted a couple blemishes (that will be published shortly and Carenado are working on) its like we are flying two different aircraft in the Saratoga.

I don't want to trach you to suck eggs or anything but what speeds were you dropping flaps as I would like to see if I can replicate this behavior. During the course of my virtual flight time I performed many approaches, landings, and touch 'n go's as well as just playing around with full dirty stalls and the model was-simply put-gently responsive.

Perhaps a re-install might sort things out?

Sorry for the derail by the way.

[steven winslow]

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[woweezowee]

there was an update to the Saratoga after the initial release, also "curing" some of the flaps issues. you sure have that, Perry?

Changes for 1.2:

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-Re-calibrated flap behavior

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[Jack Skieczius]

I have decided to review this aircraft. Yeah, haven't even bought it yet, but today i sat in a real one, and may be flying it next week. review wont be out for a bit, but i wont make anyone wait to long.

GA airplanes stir something deep within you.