I'll give all these settings a try, thanks! I don't see any point in taking jibes at either heli, we are very lucky to have both. I just bought the Dreamfoil, it is very good, I love the flexing structures (hmm, I gotta improve my landings). Compared to the Dodosim for fsx it is definitely much more skittish, but I'll check my controls setup. The torque on takeoff is very strong, a belly full of left yaw required. I did a comparison video of the 2, one of my first landings and hover attempts was pretty acceptable I thought!