Going back to the ORBX comments on page one, I have been trying. I have contacted John from ORBX. He lives in the same place as me and Simon W. I have tried to get him to convert to X-plane but he is not budging. I told him about Carnedao and REX but he just said that REX for x-plane has not even made it into the top 15 on some Australian flight sim sight with every FSX product you can think of. I have told him that I own FSX to and I prefer X-plane. I have even told him about x-plane's blade element technology but he still wouldn't budge. Also don't try to convert the scenery because its illegal or something like that. Oh well we will have to live in a world about X-plane. Andy