Hi Ben, Hopefully you don't think I'm the troll - I just lashed out because this thread was not meant to be a 'which sim is better' it's more about how good P3Dv2.1 is running on some of our systems. It really annoys me when people start going on about the 'student' thing regarding P3D as most of us who fly flight sims are learning in some way or another. LM have basically acknowledged that so therefore if you are learning from the flight sim you are eligible to buy it - simple as that. I like X-Plane 10 and use it often. I learn in it by how planes fly and react I learn navigation and so on. I also do the exact same in FSX and P3Dv2.1 - I am learning. And thank you for bringing others to the attention that X-Plane doesn't have an as big a community as P3D - I wish it was though! Cheers, Craig