Air Malaysia 777 Missing

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huh, I've never seen a phone that does that! My phone (iPhone 4) won't ring if it's off... though if that's the case then it would make sense!

 

Go read Jim's post again.  Carefully. 

[MercuryMat]

It was not so far from CTR (not airport) radars (but nobody is telling us if this was the case!!!). And the plane was well inside the range of it. Plus the sea it is not so deep to not receive some signal from black boxes!

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[Michael_Chang]

Go read Jim's post again.  Carefully. 

no no, i meant like it won't ring on the dialer's end at all, it would just go to the whole "the customer you are trying to reach is unavailable" line

[Andy]

The Malacca Straits have featured because the Malaysian military have apparently reported tracking MH370's flight path right across the Malay peninsula - a 90 degree left turn from it's projected course.  Unfortunately conspiracy theories abound in circumstances such as these where there are limited facts.  I couldn't agree more that primary radar traces should be a starting point to shed some factual, if limited, light on the aircraft's trajectory and to guide the attempted rescue efforts.  This is an interesting theory based on factual information (the Airworthiness Directive) that appears to come from a voice of knowledge and experience and could explain the quirky cellular communications - but it's still conjecture.  However if the main communications antenna was lost and the plane deviated because of semi-conscious pilots making haphazard decisions due to the accumulative effects of hypoxia then it would be easy to lose track of a large aircraft with enough of fuel on board to fly for thousands of miles out into an ocean.  Either way it is all very tragic.

[Jim Kallinen]

Now that has some serious merit to investigate. Sure hope they are.  Thanks Andy for the link.

[Michael_Chang]

I just got off the phone with my aunt, one of her coworkers and their family was on board the flight, apparently they were vacationing there with their kid.

Edited March 12, 2014 by Michael_Chang

[Jim Kallinen]

Breaking News, CNN has reported Chinese sat imagery has detected large debris in the sea east of original search zone. 
 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html

[eaglewing7]

And the Malaysian military said last night in a release, that there was no tracking data that suggested that MH370 made a 90° turn towards Indonesia/Straight of Malacca.  So, there goes that.

 

Do remember that it took five days for searchers to find any debris from AF447, and they had a pretty good idea of where to look as well, with the ACARS data, etc.  But, that was the Atlantic Ocean, which is a much larger area than the Gulf of Thailand, et el.

[Ryan M.]

US Navy is sending ships to the indian ocean, along with P-8 Poseidon's.

[Jim Kallinen]

This is the biggest mystery of this century so far.  Why is it, such an easy thing to monitor has become so hard. Its gone, nobody knows where its at. TRAGIC.

[Hueyman]

We are fooling ourselves believing that, in 2014, we master everything and our technology allows us to do everything, to track everything, to know everything etc ...

 

We're humans and there will always be ( and hopefully ! ) things that slip through our fingers without any clues why. And we shouldn't put so blind trust in technology, computers etc, the day they fail, we fail

 

My thoughts goes to the victims and their families

[Nicola_M]

There's been a few comments in the media today about the engines sending data long after the plane went missing.

I'm beginning to wonder if it's a hijack.  How many islands around that area still have old WW2 runways on them?  Who would notice a few guys clearing an isolated one on an island somewhere?

That and the phones still ringing is really making me wonder if this is an accident or something more sinister.

[Nicola_M]

Just to confirm what I posted two hours ago, now this:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26583342

[Hueyman]

This would be a great news I think, assuming people would finally go home ... But only pure speculation here ;-(

[Nicola_M]

Long shot, but the 777 can fly from China to San Fransisco, so it certainly has the range for a very very long flight, particularly to Africa and they do like to do piracy and hijackings there, especially as their usual marketplace has been blockaded by warships for months and they haven't been able to hijack many ships recently.

Could be wrong, but that's what I'm starting to wonder.  I think the lack of a crash site, no floating debris field, plus mobile phones that ring when they should be underwater is all the easy explanation, but not necessarily the right one.

PS  I'm with everyone else on the phones - if the phone is off/underwater/dead it goes straight to voicemail.  No rings, no ringtones, nothing.  Straight to voicemail.  Never had any phone do anything different.

Edited March 14, 2014 by Nicola_M

[Darius Alexander]

Remember that oil slick that they found? Today, they were talking about how the aircraft was flying specific waypoints that weren't filed in their flightplan. What if that oil slick that they found wasn't from the aircraft crashing, but from a fuel dump in preparation for an unauthorized landing? Just a shot in the dark though. 

[Nicola_M]

This highlights what I said earlier  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2580815/Missing-MH370-jet-flown-Indias-Andaman-Islands-according-radar-data-claimed-inquiries-focus-increasingly-hijacking-theory.html

 

They're saying it was last "seen" 5-6 hours after the transponder was switched off, at 35K ft, 200miles NW of Malaysia, heading towards the Andaman Islands (572 uninhabited inhospitable) and thence to India/Pakistan via IGARI-VAMPI-GIVAL-IGREX.

Personally, turn left a bit more and you're outside radar tracking range, outside cellphone communication range, and en route to Somalia where no one but them will know it's arriving.

Question is, was it a terrorist effort to deny burials (crash in the deep Indian Ocean) or are we about to get a ransom demand in the coming days?

[Hueyman]

Maybe we shouldn't go that far ... Or Mulder and Scully will inform us in some days that the truth is out there, and they eventually had been abducted ...

 

I remember AF447, people also started to make unbelievable theories and we were all sad to learn the truth ..

[cabnz1]

Who knows what sort of rescue mission might be going on right now - if it was a hijack. The public definitely wouldn't be told about it just yet.

[Nicola_M]

I remember AF447, people also started to make unbelievable theories and we were all sad to learn the truth ..

 

That one didn't fly on for a number of hours, pinging all the way.  This one remained in the air (for hours) after the transponder was switched off.

It's either explosive decompression - but then why the transponder off?

Or hijack/terrorism.

If it was something as mundane as a technical accident, it would have been all over in seconds, no transponder trail of clues for hundreds of miles.

I can't think of anything, explainable or otherwise, that fits what's been released so far other than A and B above.

 

Don't want to get into a religious debate, but the current lot into terrorism atrocities regard everyone not in their religion as enemies.  And the last time I looked, China is not remotely Islamic.

Edited March 14, 2014 by Nicola_M

[eaglewing7]

There has been way too much information released. and them promptly retracted. and then released again.

 

Frankly, I applauded Malaysian's methodical approach to releasing information, but now, I have my doubts about everything that gets released.  

 

I'm sick of even trying to wrap my head around what has taken place here.  In the early days, it looked like some sort of a bizarre repeat of AF447, now, this is bizarre.  

 

Rolls Royce refuted all claims, along with Boeing, that maintenance data was sent to them (at the normal 30 minute interval) after the transponder return, and radar/radio contact was lost).  Now, we are suddenly in the throws of the media telling us that the jet was sending information to Rolls, Boeing, and more, for FOUR HOURS.  

 

The fact of the matter is, an aircraft of this size does not just disappear.  We are not talking about a 172 in the Pacific, but it would appear that is what is being sought in the search.  If the aircraft did not suffer a catastrophic explosive decompression, was blown up, or was forced down into the Gulf of Thailand, it crashed into densely covered jungle, where it will be damn near impossible to find, until some poor bastard stumbles on the wreckage...

[Michael_Chang]

here's an interesting tidbit...

 

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062

[sundog]

Still just speculation, but a good case that an electrical fire would cause a responsible pilot to do exactly what this flight apparently did - without involving conspiracies, aliens, meteors, etc.

 

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

 

Interesting news from the Maldives there Michael - I just don't know when to believe the media on this anymore.

[Nicola_M]

... which puts the aircraft en route to Somalia.  Which is what I said days ago.  I still feel in the coming days there will be hostage demands.

[eaglewing7]

Oh no, were past that now, because this sketchy, politically motivated captain *ahem terrorist*, and flight simmer (extremely unusual and frightening behaviour for a pilot), and his coconspirator, the first officer, have clearly hijacked the aircraft.