[SOLVED LEGS PAGE] FPS issues...

[Kaphias]

I really enjoy Peter Hagers A380 for a heavy. The 'Fly by wire' integration is the most complete to date where you can input and control the take off flex temps, transition altitudes where the plane adjusts speeds relative to altitude both ascending and descending. Many controls within the FMS are detailed. It is easy to fly by hand or fly by wire and will never overshoot and over correct a waypoint. The SUKHOI 100 is really nice and gives a fun reality with its ground procedures, PA announcements, and smooth flight simulation and graphics and lighting. JRolans T34c is beautifully crafted and is realistically simulated with a powerful turbprop and is a great VFR plane. Most of X-aviations planes are great in my opinion. Another fun one by them is the Corvalis which has a great G1000 unit and the Misubishi. Also the B737 from the x737 development team. Oh, and the new Q400 is very nice. These are among my faves.

Of course I can't directly compare these to the CRJ as it stutters and crashes within 5 minutes of each attempt.

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Michael O

If you can run the A380 decently them I'm shocked that the CRJ is so slow.

[dancemad57]

Me too, and that is whats so frustrating. I've tried to run it in a clean XP install with no plugins (except what is needed for the CRJ). I've brought my res down to the minimum with no objects, no anti-alias, no pixel shading. It definetly seems to be CPU related as it only chokes the second I turn on the avionics. The other planes, including the 380 I can run at extreme res, with all the goodies on.

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Michael O

[FlorianR]

This guy clearly doesn't get the point of the argument. Lets just stop relying to his posts. Nobody agrees with him, everyone knew the hardware test was to test if the computer was compatible, and I think everyone but a few people agree that the CRJ is a revolutionary product to the X-Plane community, despite its few glitches here and there.

Also, if you can run the SSJ and Peters a380, you must be able to run the CRJ. Quit lying, its getting you nowhere.

[dancemad57]

Clearly you must be intellegent enough to be able to read all of the other complaints on this board regarding performance, so your few people is more than you think. And the point of the argument is simply about customer service, not the hardware tester. So crawl back under your rock if you can't say anything useful.

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Michael O

[Kaphias]

Me too, and that is whats so frustrating. I've tried to run it in a clean XP install with no plugins (except what is needed for the CRJ). I've brought my res down to the minimum with no objects, no anti-alias, no pixel shading. It definetly seems to be CPU related as it only chokes the second I turn on the avionics. The other planes, including the 380 I can run at extreme res, with all the goodies on.

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Michael O

So when I read:

-The A380, SSJ, T34, etc. run fine on his computer

-The CRJ "chokes the second I turn on the avionics"

-The hardware tester said his system was ok

I have to wonder what I'm missing. I own none of the mentioned aircraft so I don't want to jump to any conclusions. Michael, what happens when you turn the avionics on? Does the system freeze immediately or do the avionics come up, then followed by a frame-rate drop?

[dancemad57]

First of, thanks for responding intelligently to this thread.

The plane boots up just fine, and the FPS really isn't bad, about 30-40. When I hit the battery switch, it goes down to about 22-27, which still usually gives me a fluid feel in the 3d cockpit. And throught the flight it remains at that rate, but the wierd thing is, every movement is stuttered as if my FPS were below 19 (default set in prefs) but its still above 22ish. Even without camera movement, the altitude and speed tapes are not smooth while in flight. Then at some time XP will eventually freeze with the spinning wheel of death.

Any ideas?

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Michael O

[Cameron]

This guy clearly doesn't get the point of the argument.

No, he doesn't. Everyone else does, so that's okay.

Also, if you can run the SSJ and Peters a380, you must be able to run the CRJ. Quit lying, its getting you nowhere.

I actually don't think he's lying at all. He's got a relatively low end system running a sophisticated aircraft that does drawing and computational calculations beyond what X-Plane typically allows. The SSJ and A380, while complex by appearance, are nowhere near as complex by means of actual plug-in work and features. They rely primarily on altering standard datarefs and do the job well, but they do not have custom displays that are driven by custom systems, which tie in to a completely custom (nothing to do with X-Plane default) FMC.

In terms of today's standards and where the future of X-Plane is headed, Michael has a relatively "inferior" hardware setup, and his video card does not help the situation any better. That said, his main bottleneck is in the Dual Core CPU he has...not dual cores in general, but HIS model number of the dual core CPU. There are plenty of dual cores out there capable of running this product just fine, and we have tested this extensively both on Mac and PC. Unfortunately for Michael, his does not cut the mustard, and while he's trying to "help" others with his review, he left out the very "help"ful information about what edition of dual core he has.

Clearly you must be intellegent enough to be able to read all of the other complaints on this board regarding performance, so your few people is more than you think.

The same people that were mostly solved with tracking down background applications that were intensive already on top of the CRJ (which uses as many resources as it can possibly grab, especially on a dual core).

So crawl back under your rock if you can't say anything useful.

I'm beginning to think you should heed your own advice.

[dancemad57]

If you look really carefully at the beginning of this thread, you will see all of the info requested.

Comng from someone who steers both his help forums and review links toward a positive bias for his products by deleting unfavorable posts (you might want to fess up to Japo as he thinks I was talking about him), you no longer are credible to Me Cameron. It's the same as when you failed to ship out a product for over a month, you blamed it on the customer. It's business as usual for you.

Time in and time out I see you lashing out at your customers on this board. You really should not deal with the public. Just saying.

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Michael O

[Kaphias]

First of, thanks for responding intelligently to this thread.

The plane boots up just fine, and the FPS really isn't bad, about 30-40. When I hit the battery switch, it goes down to about 22-27, which still usually gives me a fluid feel in the 3d cockpit. And throught the flight it remains at that rate, but the wierd thing is, every movement is stuttered as if my FPS were below 19 (default set in prefs) but its still above 22ish. Even without camera movement, the altitude and speed tapes are not smooth while in flight. Then at some time XP will eventually freeze with the spinning wheel of death.

Any ideas?

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Michael O

So after reading this and the previous information I think there's a CRJ issue as everyting I've read has said that the CRJ runs much better than many other high-quality aircraft. But...

He's got a relatively low end system running a sophisticated aircraft that does drawing and computational calculations beyond what X-Plane typically allows. The SSJ and A380, while complex by appearance, are nowhere near as complex by means of actual plug-in work and features. They rely primarily on altering standard datarefs and do the job well, but they do not have custom displays that are driven by custom systems, which tie in to a completely custom (nothing to do with X-Plane default) FMC.

Ah! This I did not know. Has this been stated somewhere before? If not, why wasn't this stated earlier when it could of saved all involved a whole lot of time?

[dancemad57]

Could of been solved with a simple 'minimun system reqirements' at the store page. But they don't get it.

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Michael O

[Cameron]

Ah! This I did not know. Has this been stated somewhere before? If not, why wasn't this stated earlier when it could of saved all involved a whole lot of time?

Many a time, both "here" and "there."

Comng from someone who steers both his help forums and review links toward a positive bias for his products by deleting unfavorable posts (you might want to fess up to Japo as he thinks I was talking about him), you no longer are credible to Me Cameron. It's the same as when you failed to ship out a product for over a month, you blamed it on the customer. It's business as usual for you.

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Michael O

Michael,

With all due respect, your assertions are absurd. You double posted a review. One of your two were deleted (they both said the same thing). Perhaps it's you who needs a reality check here. There's no conspiracy, and there's no one trying to hide anything. We openly allow people to post reviews on XA, good or bad, and have only ever had to delete three for the following reasons (each is LOGGED and copied):

1. Requested by user to delete

2. One was a customer seeking support through a review rather than using the contact form

3. Double posted review

If a review is ever deleted in its entirety to appear like something is going in hiding, the customer would be contacted and informed as to why. Such is not and has not ever been the case, and should you continue to try and make such assertions you're going to head into the bin real quick. You've been allowed to have a voice here just like everyone else. You can post negatively, or speak your mind, but the second you start posting false accusations like this you WILL see your last day here.

I do suggest you to come up with ANY example of ANY post deleted here outside of spam or blatant trolling. We do no such thing, and coming from a place where censorship was hated, it is the last thing you'd ever see on this site. Not even bans (as rare as they are) are hidden and they are publicly disclosed.

Please, Michael, get off what seems like a high horse. I still see your review. WE brought the review into public light, not one of us deleted it prior to your double posting, and we easily could have censored you altogether, but none such was done because we do not believe in it.

As much as we'd like to, you are not going to find much more by means of assistance here for your product because of your hardware setup. We have outlined that many times in this thread, and it has not changed. It is completely plausible that your situation as you explain it is correct FPS wise, and I have explained why it would be. Perhaps when you find the time to upgrade your system you will then be able to enjoy the CRJ further, and not worry about X-Plane having a hiccup mid-flight. Your freeze sounds much like an overheating issue, and with your GPU and CPU likely running at 100% (both CPU cores at that), I'm not surprised.

EDIT: After considering the above about overheating further, I do NOT believe this is the case. Overheating would generally cause the entire system to fail.

I would suggest this part of it be taken up with Laminar and a crash report. We'd be happy to work with them if they can provide additional info!

This topic is now closed. Should you feel the need for actual support instead of constantly making false accusations and absurd stories, we'd be happy to assist you: http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/contact_us.php

[Japo32]

Ok, i want to be positive and stop this stupid conversation. You say you have shutters. When you fly, you have the fms page in legs page. If so chang for example to radio.

By the way, there are some systems performance (3) inside the documentation, and say that if you run the tester ok, you should have (not promise) the half of those fps. All was said from beginning. I cannot make things better. Sorry but i am not god.

[dancemad57]

Once I turned off the legs page in FMS all is well. I can even run up to Very High with Anti-alias, and objects. And hope this gets fixed (maybe) in 1.1

Thank you, thank you, thank you

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Michael O

[Cameron]

Provided this topic can stay on topic, I have re-opened it.

Michael, I do personally apologize if any of my posts have upset you (no, I was not told to apologize ). It's been a crazy last few weeks, and we're all working very hard to make things work for everyone, as well as sift through "bugs" that are not really bugs. That said, I can re-assure you even still that not any one of us ever deleted any review of yours, and it still remains to this moment. Your review sits there untouched, and is viewable by all. Perhaps you missed the fact that there are multiple pages to the reviews.

I'm glad you were able to get this semi-sorted out. Just so you're aware, the sticky topic in this forum does cover this stutter issue just a bit (not with a listed fix, but with the intention of doing so...or looking into it). That topic is here: http://forums.x-pilot.com/index.php?topic=2111.0

With the new "fix" in mind, I hope you find some enjoyment out of your purchase and that it helps to enhance your X-Plane experience.

All the best,

Cameron

[Japo32]

Once I turned off the legs page in FMS all is well. I can even run up to Very High with Anti-alias, and objects. And hope this gets fixed (maybe) in 1.1

Thank you, thank you, thank you

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Michael O

Yes, it seems that it is better in 1.1 page, but don't know how is going to work in all computers, because on 1.0 I had a liiiiiiiiiiitle shuttering almost not visible. But in this 1.1 I don't have it. but because My computer is much better than yours, then I don't know.

Anyway.. maybe is a good moment to put unless 2/5 stars on the plane?  

Always everyone will have more from me comming with an smile than with a bad face.