Borg Collective Ban

[Wetted Area]

Well, I just cut the rope and kept on moving, too.

 

I also just got banned from the so-called "org" - more like the Borg.  Unless you are willing to drink their coolaid all the time, that in and of itself is enough to get you banned.  And, don't even think about asking intelligent questions about X-Plane, or make any intelligent (patently obvious) critiques of X-Plane on the Borg Collective Forum, as that will get you nothing but a collective "Go fly the demo to get your questions answered," or it will immediately get you labeled a "troll" by a pretend Cop wearing a "Moderators" uniform with the crack of his butt showing each time he sits down at his computer.

 

I posted some very direct questions about the "Application Architecture" of X-Plane, and was rudely interrupted by the very same Trollish Attitude that I got labeled with, merely for asking intelligent questions.  For the Moderator and his Borg-like Minions to behave that way, was just flat out stupid.

 

What's the point?  What's the point of even having a forum with the name X-Plane.org.  What - did they really think that having a name like that and allowing public registrations for membership would lead to no one asking questions based on their observations of X-Plane?  How absurd a notion is that.

 

The Moderator temporarily suspended my account - merely because I levied the truth on their forum about how I was displeased with the difference between what the official X-Plane Sales Video shows -vs- what you actually get out of the box when you install the product.  You don't get the nice looking scenery, high resolution ground level detail, precise surface topology with respect to major landmarks, etc., with X-Plane 10 Global.  My X-Plane 10 Global, looked absolutely nothing like the video and all I did was echo what I've seen others say before about their Out-The-Box experience with X-Plane Global and the apparent discrepancy between the polished video -vs- what ultimately gets installed on their HDD.

 

The level of rudeness, arrogance and total blindness on that site is beyond my ability to cope.  I wrote back to the Traffic Cop (moderator) and told him to not just temporarily suspend my account - but DELETE my account entirely, as I had absolutely zero need for such an arrogant environment.

 

I also made it abundantly clear that I LIKED X-Plane, even more than I liked FSX.  So, I'm not some FSX Vendor Water Boy.  I went there to learn - but apparently, you can't learn a damn thing inside the Borg Collective, unless you agree with every hallucination they can fathom.  It was an unreal experience to say the least.  The arrogance on that forum is palpable.

 

I suspect this forum is a whole lot different?  I've also seen a number of other forums with a lot more traffic, a lot more learning going on and a lot less ego to throw around.

 

What is it with arrogance on forums anyway?  Why do people lose their social skills when they enter a forum?  Why bring that kind of obnoxious anti-social attitude into a forum, when you know darn well you won't have that same arrogant attitude standing directly in front of someone?  What you see, is what you get with me.  I'm polite and courteous in-person and I'm the same way online.  I don't attempt to over compensate for some kind of weakness, merely because I go online.  Yet, I see this time and time again on forums.  What's the deal?  Weren't these people reared by parents who taught them at a young age, how to conduct themselves in public places and how to remain consistent in demeanor, whether in public or private?  I was taught that by my parents.

 

I'm so sick of all the online idiocy and Group Think Mentality.  Drink the coolaid so you can get along with the "Borg," or you will be classified as a Troll.  And, we ban Trolls.  We don't ban ourselves for acting just  like trolls, but we do ban others who we say are acting like trolls.  In other words, we are total HYPOCRITES and we like it that way (with a stupid grin on the face, no doubt).

 

Oh, man!  I am SO sick of that online attitude!  When does it stop?  When do people stop acting like this online?  When do we get down to some intelligent discussion, rational debate, healthy challenges and some actual learning without all the Borg'ishness behavior?  Why can't these be real places of learning, sharing, cultivating, knowledge transfer, understanding, development and growth?  What - am I asking for too much for people to be civil with each other?

 

PLEASE tell me that this forum is different in its approach and its overall attitude?  I brought my own beverages, thank you very much.  I don't drink coolaid, but I am willing to share what I do have.  I've got some chips and salsa, too.  I can't cook very well, but I can roast the heck out of a chicken (lol!).  I'm also getting better making Lasagna, and once upon a time, I made a stir fry dish with 100% fresh ingredients and it was just as good, if not better than anything I've ever experienced in a nice restaurant.  Thus, I have developed a whole new level of respect for Professional Chefs - how they get it perfect every single time, I will never know.  But, I have to watch what I eat, or my blood sugar levels will get out of whack - don't want that to happen.

 

Like I said, what you see is what you get.

 

Now, I was saying something about X-Plane....

Edited January 28, 2013 by Wetted Area

[Cameron]

Hi, there,


Thanks for sharing your story and telling it in a mature manner. I respect it very much.

...and welcome to X-Pilot!

 

I suspect this forum is a whole lot different?  I've also seen a number of other forums with a lot more traffic, a lot more learning going on and a lot less ego to throw around.

Yes, we are a lot different here. You won't have a hammer come down on you for sharing your opinion. X-Plane has its weaknesses and strengths. The nice thing is having Laminar continuously develop to make it better in the end. That doesn't take away from what we have right now.

 

 
What is it with arrogance on forums anyway?  Why do people lose their social skills when they enter a forum?  Why bring that kind of obnoxious anti-social attitude into a forum, when you know darn well you won't have that same arrogant attitude standing directly in front of someone?  What you see, is what you get with me.  I'm polite and courteous in-person and I'm the same way online.  I don't attempt to over compensate for some kind of weakness, merely because I go online.  Yet, I see this time and time again on forums.  What's the deal?  Weren't these people reared by parents who taught them at a young age, how to conduct themselves in public places and how to remain consistent in demeanor, whether in public or private?  I was taught that by my parents.

I think most of this behavior comes from the fact that people are behind a computer screen...it's almost a cloak. Bets have it that in person a majority of these people would never even consider treating people in the same manner (in fact, I'm willing to bet many would appear shy). This aside, I also think this weird divide has been created between FS X and X-Plane so much so that some take their stance very passionately (similar to Apple vs PC).

In the end, we all love flight simming and should keep that core concept in mind. I've seen good and bad on both sides and take it for what it is.

Enjoy the community here. It's a great place to hangout!
 

[Wetted Area]

Yes, we are a lot different here.

 

That's good to hear, thanks!

 

This aside, I also think this weird divide has been created between FS X and X-Plane so much so that some take their stance very passionately (similar to Apple vs PC).

 

I now tend to agree with you.  I just got involved with desktop flight simulators and I had no idea that there were these literal X Wars going on out there, but it is very true.

 

I need two things:

 

-a-  A neutral site that won't have a C-Section, merely because I state my own personal opinion about their "favorite" flight simulator, that happens to be unflattering with respect to its "features" and/or "function" - or lack therefore.

 

-b-  A neutral site with people having a breadth of experience with both platforms, as I am still in the evaluation phases and have not settled on one or the other at this time.

 

If I can find those two things in one site, I feel I can get up to speed a bit faster.  That's would be the two'fer (two for one) experience.  The ultimate experience would be the three'fer (three for one), better known as the Trifecta experience which would include one more item:

 

-c-  Actually meeting nice people online for a change.

 

Enabling: Trifecta.

 

I was still fuming when I wrote it, but that was just a temporary malfunction and I have no other squawks to report.  My pre-flight and take-off checks of X-Pilot are complete.  Now, I can go fly the forum and see where it takes me!

 

Thanks for the welcome.

Edited January 28, 2013 by Wetted Area

[Sgt R Lee Ermey]

The tighter the grip the more that slips through the cracks...  Starting to see the trend move towards better places and the morons running the place over there will be left twiddling their dicks by themselves. 

[Nicola_M]

Don't let it get to you. The main thing is that you found here.

 

Can't speak for everyone else, but this whole x-plane vs FSX thing is overrated. Both sims have their own plus points and downsides, so just enjoy flying and get out of it what you can.

 

And welcome, btw.

[sqrt(-1)]

Refreshing!  Resistance is NOT futile!

 

I am relatively new here myself and have found that the environment here seems to be much less confrontational.  The "Borg" have some very 'angry' individuals posting regularly.  Clearly, they have other personal demons to deal with.  So whatever aircraft or other X-Plane issue they are complaining about is clearly not their biggest problem.

 

I like this place.

[Wetted Area]

Interesting input, guys.  I appreciate the thoughts and opinions as I hope you appreciated mine.

 

I'm pretty much beyond it at this point and have gotten back into a learning mode, instead of a perpetual confrontation mode with the Borg.  I look forward to more relevant dialog about flight sims!

 

Regards.

[Bamboo Cougar]

Well, like Cameron so eloquently points out, there's good and bad on both sides for sure.

 

I don't like some of the batles over there either.

 

But I don't like some of the immature name-calling and foul language here either.

 

So, I ignore it all and just get on with my hobby. With a dash of common sense and respect, which serves just as well in the real world.

 

Cheers,

 

bc

[Bobback]

Actually im glad that i found X-pilot.com

When i came from FSX to X-Plane (last week) the first site i registered an account was the "Borg", at first only to check the addons and download some files. At least for the next couple months i don't think i can upload anything because im just starting so, i cannot create anything yet. But i hope in the future i can contribute with the community by making scenery and maybe even aircrafts, i know there is a long learning curve ahead.

Anyway, i went to the forum, was checking some topics and was everything ok, but then saturday i made the mistake of sharing my opinion, well, haven't worked well. Got a warning for no reason, then things only got worst, used the shoutbox to warn people to avoid stating their opinions or they would get a warning. That got me a new warning and banned from the shoutbox. That's ok, maybe this one about the shoutbox i deserved. 
But then i saw some people with doubts about System memory/Video memory/FPS, etc. Then i made a quick tutorial just to explain a little about it. Well, the same moderator who gave me the warnings deleted the tutorial, deleted the tutorial and gave me a suspension. I wasn't aware of what was happening, i just saw that suddenly every link i was trying to reach was giving me the message "Sorry you are not allowed..."

Then i made a new account to see if i got banned, found my profile and it wasn't banned, but it was marked as "suspended". After that my both accounts were banned, but i was already expecting it since i had a second account on the same pc/ip/mac adress. When i checked my email i saw i had a message from a moderator telling me about the suspension, it was because the tutorial was riddled with speculation rather than relying on facts. Its incredible that some time later i saw some articles written by Tyler Young with the same information i had written on the tutorial. Maybe it wasn't a well written tutorial, but im sure it was helpful and with correct information, and by the way on the first line of the tutorial i said that if anyone one noticed something wrong, to feel free to correct me. Well, if making a tutorial to help others was the way he found to gave me a suspension, now i know, when going to a dictatorship keep quiet.

 

Anyway it all started just because i said my opinion on a topic, no disrespect, no foul language or immature name-calling, no personal attacks to anyone. 

Im always polite and respectful with other people, every one have its own opinion about everything, but then i realized i was on the dictatorship. Actually i started my search to see if Laminar Research had anything to do with the "Borg" because i couldn't believe that Laminar would recommend people to join that. To me its just bad for business.

 

But well, all good now. Wish i only could delete my 3 accounts there lol.

At least now i know that the Org is a good site with good information and a nice file library, but if you want a good conversation, just avoid their website. Now i know why on almost every topic there are more replies from mods than members lol!!

 

Glad im here and i can state my opinion and be myself, i can be polite and state my opinion without being afraid of anything...

 

As a friend of mine says, haters are gonna hate 

[mattp52]

What went wrong with the OP here? He's now showing up as banned here - kinda ironic.

[Cameron]

What went wrong with the OP here? He's now showing up as banned here - kinda ironic.

He ended up going crazy on personal levels in a topic now in a section of the forums you don't yet have access to. As you establish membership here you'll see the new section pop up eventually and you can read all about it.

[chris k]

+1 on Mental Breakdown we think.

[sqrt(-1)]

A common affliction among the most highly intelligent elite in our society.

 

You know, that thing they say about the light bulb shining brightest just before it burns out...

[xplaneorgisdumb]

I understand that.. I hate the org, especially this nicolas guy who claims itself god of knowledge...

[Femke]

Well this is a very enlightening post.

I recently started using x- plane and joined a few sites one being the Borg. i do like that name.

Unfortunately while trying to find a couple of posts I could reply to, so I could have the privilege of posting on the forums, I made the terrible mistake of answering a newcomers post who was asking if, as a UK resident he would have to pay import duty on purchases from the Borg store. My answer was along the lines of I hadn't been charged VAT so I didn't think so. These two posts resulted in a terse reply from a moderator, a locked thread and a no longer access to the forums. I presume the OP of the thread got banned also.

Sent an email telling them I was shocked ... And my partner who is also on our family router finds she has been blocked also.

I left mmorpg's for this crazy tyrannical attitude, seems like flight sims have similar problems.

I hope I havn' t cooked my goose here as well by posting this.

[Dozer]

Well this is a very enlightening post.

I recently started using x- plane and joined a few sites one being the Borg. i do like that name.

Unfortunately while trying to find a couple of posts I could reply to, so I could have the privilege of posting on the forums, I made the terrible mistake of answering a newcomers post who was asking if, as a UK resident he would have to pay import duty on purchases from the Borg store. My answer was along the lines of I hadn't been charged VAT so I didn't think so. These two posts resulted in a terse reply from a moderator, a locked thread and a no longer access to the forums. I presume the OP of the thread got banned also.

Sent an email telling them I was shocked ... And my partner who is also on our family router finds she has been blocked also.

I left mmorpg's for this crazy tyrannical attitude, seems like flight sims have similar problems.

I hope I havn' t cooked my goose here as well by posting this.

That is depressing. What reason did they give? Can't imagine how that topic could offend anyone - unless perhaps it was a very old post?

[Femke]

They gave no reason at the time and they still havn't despite an email sent to them, and the post I replied to was posted earlier the same day.

So I am as befuddled as you, but I shall not worry my head about it I am too long in the tooth to care about immature little tinpot dictators.

[Stent]

And my partner who is also on our family router finds she has been blocked also.

 

Yet in the Org in Down thread earlier today you say that you've logged back on to the Org using a different account to confirm that a thread you posted under your original identity is still there.

 

So you're not really banned by IP address.

 

Or, I must say, for a "67 year old grandmother" you demonstrate remarkable dexterity in circumventing such a ban.

[Femke]

Yet in the Org in Down thread earlier today you say that you've logged back on to the Org using a different account to confirm that a thread you posted under your original identity is still there.

 

So you're not really banned by IP address.

 

Or, I must say, for a "67 year old grandmother" you demonstrate remarkable dexterity in circumventing such a ban.

Do you think that a 67 year old grandmother is incapable of using the internet as effectively as a much younger male user.

I have been using computers since the days of Ian Sinclair's ZX81, and have owned amongst many others Commodore, Amiga, Atari, IBM PC's, and I have been a user of the web since the early days of its conception. There are a number of ways to circumvent bans from forums which a short search with Google would easily show an experienced user how to do so.

I have another account because of the community there who try to help others and are so great with giving up their free time to provide software, tuition, add ons and advice.amongst other information.

I shall not post with that account and will  merely use it for access to the wonderful resource.

I never claimed I was banned by IP address although I thought I was, as what happened to my partner's account, who incidentally doesn't post there or anywhere else, gets the same no permission messages, as I do .

I do not know why you seem to question all I say, both here, and on the .org is down thread, and I seem to sense a barely concealed insinuation that I am actually not telling the truth.

 

If you read my posts You will find that I said at one point that the message I get now on any page of the .org forums except the store of course, is "you do not have permission to do that". My other account is still logged in and I cannot even operate the log out button to take the account out of the signed in phase.

 

If I was paranoid I may have started to think that you are an alt of the very person who locked the thread or even Nicolas who doesn't even have the decency to answer my email. But as I am not paranoid It is just a fanciful idea that drifted across my befuddled old brain dear.