[SOLVED] Joystick

[hiddenace]

No matter what i do it deletes my settings i loaded another plane first i disabled the plugin. Every time i re-enable the plugin i loose controls again. Nothing i do allows me to use my joystick.

 

Another observation. The aircraft porpoises around the pitch axis  quite violently 

 

Edited December 19, 2012 by Japo32

[safeflight_]

 

No matter what i do it deletes my settings i loaded another plane first i disabled the plugin. Every time i re-enable the plugin i loose controls again. Nothing i do allows me to use my joystick.

 

Another observation. The aircraft porpoises around the pitch axis  quite violently 

 

 

 

Have the same problem, cannot enabled the pitch and roll axis. Tried the lock handle several times but axis did not start to work again. Deleted all preferences and got them working again, maybe the joystick settings are amended by the plugin and cannot be reset to default.

The pitch axis is compared to other aircraft a bit unstabil - think of the short fuselage its center of gravity and the wings.

Edited December 19, 2012 by safeflight_

[Japo32]

Ok... always do this:

 

1. Load other plane at the start of xplane. See if you have you axis assigned there, if not assign them there.

 

2. Load the Jetstream.

    2a. if you are loading the plane with engines stop, the yokes won't move and the pedals. You have to unlock the controls in the right-botton side of the pedestal.      putting the lever down.

    2b. if you loaded the plane with engines running you should have the controls enabled, so you have to do anything.

 

3. fly the plane as you like to fly the time you want.

 

4. When you end it in your case ALWAYS do it with controls NOT LOCKED. 

Load other plane. Check if you have your axis correct there.

quick xplane.

 

in next session in xplane load again other plane, you should have your axis ok.. if you never exit xplane with controls locked and the jetstream loaded.

[Japo32]

About the pitch axis violent. That is because the stall protection that has a stick pusher.. Read the manual to deactivate the stick pusher please.

[Cameron]

 

No matter what i do it deletes my settings i loaded another plane first i disabled the plugin. Every time i re-enable the plugin i loose controls again. Nothing i do allows me to use my joystick.

 

Another observation. The aircraft porpoises around the pitch axis  quite violently 

 

 

 

Very important to read the manual. Please see page 48 in red text.

[safeflight_]

Very important to read the manual. Please see page 48 in red text.

 

SOLVED

Understood joystick blocking - working

Found stick pusher - working

 

Better read the manuel completely

 

I really enjoy flying with your aircraft - excellent work

[hiddenace]

how did you disable the stick pusher?

 

Never mind i found it  

Edited December 19, 2012 by hiddenace

[fat-strat]

On Page 6 of the manual it says:

 

"IT IS VERY IMPORTANT that once you have ended flying the Jetstream, you DON’T QUIT X- Plane with it loaded. You have to load other plane (any) and then when loaded, quit. If you don’t do this, you will loose all your axis assignations but the throttle one. Specially when the controls al locked."

 

Does this mean that you always have to load another plane before quitting just to keep your joystick settings preserved with this bird?

Seems quite cumbersome... Am I missing something? Is this a temporary measure? 

[Japo32]

In xplane9 is final decision.. in xplane10 I think I have a posibility to not load other plane.. BUT if you read the manual (that I think I put it in 4 places) you don't have to load another aircraft to exit xplane IF you leave the lock controls not locked. 

You just leave the controls unlocked before exit and you don't need to load other plane to exit.

 

The reason is: Lock controls? in reality pilots cannot move the joystick. Here in this plane the same. So I delete some joystick axis (pitch,roll,mixture,yaw and diferential brakes). The plugin has a order to restore the user axis when the plugin is not loaded or stop. But the only way to do it is loading other plane or deactivating the plugin in the plugin menu.

If while the controls are locked (so deleted those axis assignations) someone quick xplane, the order of saving back your preferences won't come so you loose your axis. 

Is a risky decisión but there is no other way to lock controls in some situations (for example, also is locked the pitch when there is a stick pusher). I tried to give the joystick axis a values I wanted (for example  0.0 value) but always in the reading loop of the plugin there are input from the user that changes jumping from the value the user tries to give, to the value the plugin says. So I thought the best was do to what is doing right now.

 

I included the remembering of unlock controls or load other plane before quick inside the checklist. Maybe is a little strange at the beggining but checklist are for that. I simulate a real lock of controls.. and several times I crashed because I forgot to follow the checklist. Now following them I have no problem at all, and like it because it is a little bit more challenging.

Edited December 19, 2012 by Japo32

[fat-strat]

Thanks for your reply. Pardon my ignorance, but I guess I'm confused by the Lock Control. What exactly is the purpose of the control lock - in the sim and in real life? 

 

 

The reason is: Lock controls? in reality pilots cannot move the joystick.

[Japo32]

Lock them as the word says. Not move them... so accidentally you can move something when you should not. The function is in the real plane and I just put it there.

Also as said the stick pusher deletes TEMPORALLY your pitch axis assignation.

[Cameron]

This prevents control surfaces from moving while parked to prevent sudden movement and damage to an aircraft when unattended. It is this way in the real world, and simulated in the aircraft just the same.

[fat-strat]

Thanks for the clarification and quick reply. 

 

I have another question/clarification about page 6 procedures in the manual:

 

 

"Important: If you want the Jetstream fly correctly with autopilot modes, then don’t assign any axis to any trim mode (pitch, roll or heading)." 

 

Having a tough time understanding this passage. It says not to assign any axis to any trim mode (Pitch, roll or heading).

Pitch and roll are both assigned to my joystick axis under 'Settings > Joystick & Equipment > Axis ' 

I'm using a joystick, to control pitch and roll axis - what are you suggesting? That I should not use the joystick axis for pitch and roll?  

 

Also, having a tough time understanding this passage as well:

 

 

"To it with button pressing (as the real one). If you don’t do this, the plane will try to catch the autopilot mode but the first control that is going to obey are the trim axis, and because if they are axis always are making inputs to the plane."

 

Any clarification would help. Maybe some of the translations are where we are losing each other? 

You've done a great job so far.

Thanks 

 

 

 

[Japo32]

"what are you suggesting? That I should not use the joystick axis for pitch and roll?"

 

Yes.. that is what I suggest everyone, Not only this airplane but any. The reasons are well explained in the manual. The micro-inputs of not well calibrated (and usually are micro-impulses) trim axis produces the disconnect of the autopilot IN ANY airplane of xplane.

But if you try and you see it is good.. then ok. Remember that everytime you touch any trim.. the autopilot will disconnect. And that is an xplane stuff. Not my plane.

 

About the second part of the question.. yes, sorry about my english. It is not "To" but "Do" Do it (the trim function) with buttons assignations to your joystick. In the menus of joystick, in one of the tabs (right now I don't remember), you can assign any button of your joy, to several fuctions inside of xplane. Like the reversers_hold as I say in reverses area, or the trims. In the real plane (or any 99% of times) the yokes have little buttons to trim the plane. They are electrical trims. So you can do the same in xplane.

[fat-strat]

Maybe I wasn't clear. I think we are talking about 2 different things here:

 

When I say I'm using the joystick axis for pitch and roll - pitch by pulling back on the stick or pushing forward to climb or descend,  and roll - to bank the aircraft left and right by pushing the stick left and right. You are saying, NOT to fly the aircraft with the joystick in this way? Not to fly any aircraft with a joystick in X-plane using these axis? 

 

"Yes.. that is what I suggest everyone, Not only this airplane but any. The reasons are well explained in the manual. The micro-inputs of not well calibrated (and usually are micro-impulses) trim axis produces the disconnect of the autopilot IN ANY airplane of xplane."

 

It sounds like you are suggesting to not use the joystick axis for TRIM (and only trim). I'm just confused how anyone could have the joystick axis set up for trim, then how would they be flying the aircraft (banking, climbing, descending, etc).
 

[Cameron]

It sounds like you are suggesting to not use the joystick axis for TRIM (and only trim). I'm just confused how anyone could have the joystick axis set up for trim, then how would they be flying the aircraft (banking, climbing, descending, etc).

 

 

Not all joysticks are created equal. There are numerous joysticks available which have one more more rotational axis for the purposes of trim (be it elevator or aileron).

 

Javier is stating to not trim your aircraft using the joystick when flying with the Jetstream.

[fat-strat]

Got it. Thank you.

 

But rather, assign trims to buttons on your joystick? 

[Cameron]

Got it. Thank you.

 

But rather, assign trims to buttons on your joystick? 

 

Yes.

[hiddenace]

Thank you Cameron your a blessing i know Jrollon's is trying his best but the language barrier is a little difficult...

 

Is any one also getting overly sensitive pitch and roll controls the bird feels really light like i'm flying a Cessna on steroids

[Japo32]

in Flight models per frame put 2 instead of 1 and try to maintain far from Vmo.

 

and: 

 

1. Trim axis in joystick = No recommended

 

2. Trim buttons in joystick = Recommended.