How can I get the throttle to go in REV?

[JackSwyr]

Hi, I have a Virtual Fly TQ6 and it was working until I had to update XP.

What I’d like to know is how can I use the throttle on the TQ6 to bring the engine to the REV position.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I even tried assigning F1 in the Engine section of the Keyboard settings to Reverser, bring throttle down in small steps, etc.  Nothing will make that throttle to go the REV position.

Thanks.

Jack

[Rossco]

Hi Jack,

I have the button on my PFC Throttle set to "Thrust reverse toggle" which works well.

[JackSwyr]

7 hours ago, Rossco said:

Hi Jack,

I have the button on my PFC Throttle set to "Thrust reverse toggle" which works well.

Just tried to assign this to F1 and it still won’t work, does it even GO into REV?  Getting quite frustrated when even a keyboard command like F1 which I assigned to Reverse toggle will not work.  ARGH!  Sorry, frustrated.

[JackSwyr]

8 hours ago, Rossco said:

Hi Jack,

I have the button on my PFC Throttle set to "Thrust reverse toggle" which works well.

I have a Saitek TMP and I assigned toggle to a button and it works, it brings back the throttle to REV but I wish to god I could get it to go into REV with the TQ6 it’s life.  I have a lower detent.  

So does anyone know how use use the Response Curve?

I notice in says has beta reverse detent but selected or not it simple does not bring the throttle back into REV.

Someone please help if you are able as I’d appreciate it.

[Rossco]

Hi Jack,

Not sure about assigning keyboard keys for specific commands I always use hardware buttons or levers.

I assume you have no buttons on the TQ6?

[JackSwyr]

2 minutes ago, Rossco said:

Hi Jack,

Not sure about assigning keyboard keys for specific commands I always use hardware buttons or levers.

I assume you have no buttons on the TQ6?

No sir no buttons on the TQ6.  But it has a lower detent which works in PMDG P3D jets.  I had it working once in this plane, but I don’t know what I did, it had to do with the response curve but that’s over my head.  I can fix real aircraft but when it comes to things like this, it’s over my head.

[Rossco]

With my PFC throttle I have the beta/reverse turned off in the XP Joystick configurator as the TBM has it's own gate. I press the assigned reverser button as I pass my hardware detent & it works fine. Coming back past the detent the throttle automatically comes out of beta/rev.

Think I did have the beta/reverser turned on at one stage in XP but was having difficulty in getting it to work with the exact position of my hardware reverse detent.

[JackSwyr]

1 minute ago, Rossco said:

With my PFC throttle I have the beta/reverse turned off in the XP Joystick configurator as the TBM has it's own gate. I press the assigned reverser button as I pass my hardware detent & it works fine. Coming back past the detent the throttle automatically comes out of beta/rev.

Think I did have the beta/reverser turned on at one stage in XP but was having difficulty in getting it to work with the exact position of my hardware reverse detent.

Not familiar with the PFC.  As I said I have no buttons whatsoever on it.  I have to look at some YT's I guess because some guy did get it to work on mine with the beta range using the response curve.

[Rossco]

My PFC Turbo Prop throttles have a TOGA switch which using SPAD.neXt I assign a short press for TOGA & a long press for Beta/Reverse.

 

[JackSwyr]

15 minutes ago, Rossco said:

My PFC Turbo Prop throttles have a TOGA switch which using SPAD.neXt I assign a short press for TOGA & a long press for Beta/Reverse.

 

Well, that rules out a TQ6.  I wish someone here had a TQ6 and could help me with the response curves as I think that’s where the answer lies.

[shaved_ape]

On 7/5/2019 at 10:47 AM, JackSwyr said:

Well, that rules out a TQ6.  I wish someone here had a TQ6 and could help me with the response curves as I think that’s where the answer lies.

Sounds like you are on the right track about response curves.  Check out this video from the God of X-Plane himself.  Go to 2:22 where he describes how turboprops work and also instructs you on how to edit response curves.

 

I'm about to give this a try myself, as I just bought the TBM-900 (awesome plane btw) and I need to get all my controls set properly for her.

[RobW05]

Just curious, what makes the TQ6 so special that it doesn't work with the TBM's reverse logic? 

[JackSwyr]

1 hour ago, RobW05 said:

Just curious, what makes the TQ6 so special that it doesn't work with the TBM's reverse logic? 

Wish I knew.  It doesn’t have and switches in the reverse mode.  It’s really very simple but quite expensive 

[RobW05]

Hmm, ok but it doesn't need any specific switches. You just need to bind any button or even a key for the specific command. 

[JackSwyr]

7 minutes ago, RobW05 said:

Hmm, ok but it doesn't need any specific switches. You just need to bind any button or even a key for the specific command. 

I can get the throttle to work all day in forward, and it even works in REV for the ZIBO 737.  But it simply will not allow it to into REV in the TBM.   

[shaved_ape]

36 minutes ago, JackSwyr said:

I can get the throttle to work all day in forward, and it even works in REV for the ZIBO 737.  But it simply will not allow it to into REV in the TBM.   

My X5600 Rhino doesn't have any physical detent on the throttle quadrant, but I can set the response curve for one of the throttle levers (the X5600 has dual throttle levers) in XP, and get the Beta to work, so in essence, I can bring the throttle back to a point, then the aircraft will respond go to idle, with the throttle movement going further back, and Beta engages.  A full throttle back will engage reverse.  In the response curve dialog, via the controller settings, there is a checkbox that enables you to use Beta/Reverse...pretty simple.  After a test flight with these settings, I can land now, and quickly engage reverse and slow the aircraft down much easier.

[RobW05]

Jack, this is not meant to be rude in any way, but you do know how the reverse logic works in the Hotstart TBM, do you? 

This is from the manual:

Please note that in the simulation, as in the real aircraft, you cannot move the throttle from the POWER range into the TAXI and REV ranges without lifting the flight idle lockout to get over the flight idle stop gate. To actuate this lockout, you will need to map a button or key to the sim/engines/thrust reverse toggle command (aka “Toggle thrust reversers”). Pressing this button or key will lift the lockout. 

NOTE Activating the “reverse toggle” command does NOT engage reverse thrust. The default X-Plane behavior has been overridden by the TBM900 simulation to behave as in real life. Instead, activating this action simply lifts the lockout tab. You then need to move your throttle past the flight idle stop and into the TAXI or REV ranges. Once in the ranges, you can release the “reverse toggle” button/key. The lockout tab will not re-engage until you again transition the throttle into the POWER range.

This means all you need to do is to map your physical throttle axis as "throttle" in xplane, no curve whatsoever needed. It will control the whole range from alpha over beta to reverse, but to get into reverse you need to press a button which you have assigned to the "toggle reverse" command. 

[JackSwyr]

1 minute ago, shaved_ape said:

My X5600 Rhino doesn't have any physical detent on the throttle quadrant, but I can set the response curve for one of the throttle levers (the X5600 has dual throttle levers) in XP, and get the Beta to work, so in essence, I can bring the throttle back to a point, then the aircraft will respond go to idle, with the throttle movement going further back, and Beta engages.  A full throttle back will engage reverse.  In the response curve dialog, via the controller settings, there is a checkbox that enables you to use Beta/Reverse...pretty simple.  After a test flight with these settings, I can land now, and quickly engage reverse and slow the aircraft down much easier.

Thanks, I tried this so many times with so many YT's and it never works, and I make sure I get the same numbers as they have on their videos.  The only way I can get it to go into REV is by assigning a button to Thrust Reverse Toggle and then it goes into full reverse and the throttle in the cockpit actually moves into REV.  Very frustrating that others can get this to work but I can't.

[JackSwyr]

2 minutes ago, RobW05 said:

Jack, this is not meant to be rude in any way, but you do know how the reverse logic works in the Hotstart TBM, do you? 

This is from the manual:

Please note that in the simulation, as in the real aircraft, you cannot move the throttle from the POWER range into the TAXI and REV ranges without lifting the flight idle lockout to get over the flight idle stop gate. To actuate this lockout, you will need to map a button or key to the sim/engines/thrust reverse toggle command (aka “Toggle thrust reversers”). Pressing this button or key will lift the lockout. 

NOTE Activating the “reverse toggle” command does NOT engage reverse thrust. The default X-Plane behavior has been overridden by the TBM900 simulation to behave as in real life. Instead, activating this action simply lifts the lockout tab. You then need to move your throttle past the flight idle stop and into the TAXI or REV ranges. Once in the ranges, you can release the “reverse toggle” button/key. The lockout tab will not re-engage until you again transition the throttle into the POWER range.

This means all you need to do is to map your physical throttle axis as "throttle" in xplane, no curve whatsoever needed. It will control the whole range from alpha over beta to reverse, but to get into reverse you need to press a button which you have assigned to the "toggle reverse" command. 

Thanks, yes, see my post above as I must have posted at the same time as you.  When I use the toggle reverse it goes straight into REV in the sim's cockpit.  Then I can use the lever to move it up to LESS REV which is cool.  So I guess I will have to leave it as it is, using a Saitek TMP with the "toggle reverse" in conjunction with the TQ6.

So this clarifies quite a bit and I'm VERY appreciative of all ya'lls help!

[RobW05]

Ok, no problem, I just couldn't imagine that the TQ6 would create such problems. 

By the way, could it be that you have some special drivers or software installed for the TQ6 which would interfere with xplanes own settings? 

[JackSwyr]

2 minutes ago, RobW05 said:

Ok, no problem, I just couldn't imagine that the TQ6 would create such problems. 

By the way, could it be that you have some special drivers or software installed for the TQ6 which would interfere with xplanes own settings? 

No drivers at all, it didn't even come with any to install or even download.  I use FSUIPC in P3D and it works perfectly, XP is a little different but I can get it to work.