Actually Ben, I was referring to zroman. With all the slagging off and far-from-cordial atmosphere towards him, I wouldn't blame him walking away and using his talents on something else, like FPS/computer games or some other industry where they'll welcome him with open arms. Not for his attitude, but for his talent. You can tame the former, but rarely grow the latter; that's inbuilt. But, anyone would think we can afford to let budding developers just walk away. We should be nurturing them, not pushing them out the door because they make one or two mistakes. For every one zroman, there's a 1000 talentless wannabes who can only use xplane but not build for it.