Big lag and freezing

[Acesimulation]

I am using Skymaxx pro latest version with real world weather connector and i keep getting really bad lag and freezing when it generates new weather and clouds. 

 

This is my settings : 

 

specs: i7 3770k @ 4.2 ghz , GTX 970 , 16gb ram 

 

Edited May 1, 2016 by fozzybear711

[sundog]

For some reason your image came through really blurry; I can't read the part that's most important. 

Could you please let us know what it says where it says " You have XXMB of video... memory" right after you experience this problem? Providing your log.txt may also help us.

[Acesimulation]

27 minutes ago, sundog said:

For some reason your image came through really blurry; I can't read the part that's most important. 

Could you please let us know what it says where it says " You have XXMB of video... memory" right after you experience this problem? Providing your log.txt may also help us.

 

Image should be ok and log.txt should be attached

 

Thanks

 

Log.txt

Edited May 1, 2016 by fozzybear711

[sundog]

Looks like you are running with HD mesh. When you cross a tile boundary in X-Plane, two things happen - new DSF terrain tiles get loaded, and SkyMaxx Pro's weather gets regenerated due to the new coordinate system that comes into play. So it may look like Skymaxx Pro is causing your "lag and freezing" because the weather regenerates at the same time, but the lag in fact probably has more to do with your terrain loading. Accoding to your log, SMP's clouds are properly cached and not much is really happening when this happens from SMP's standpoint.

Long story short: try temporarily removing your HD mesh scenery and see if that helps. I think it will.

[Acesimulation]

3 hours ago, sundog said:

Looks like you are running with HD mesh. When you cross a tile boundary in X-Plane, two things happen - new DSF terrain tiles get loaded, and SkyMaxx Pro's weather gets regenerated due to the new coordinate system that comes into play. So it may look like Skymaxx Pro is causing your "lag and freezing" because the weather regenerates at the same time, but the lag in fact probably has more to do with your terrain loading. Accoding to your log, SMP's clouds are properly cached and not much is really happening when this happens from SMP's standpoint.

Long story short: try temporarily removing your HD mesh scenery and see if that helps. I think it will.

Ok, I removed all my hd mesh, still getting the odd random cloud spawning with FPS drop , what settings could i reduce and to what value to get constant frames ? Even tho my pc is more than capable 

 

Thanks

Edited May 2, 2016 by fozzybear711

[Defiance_co]

Hiya,

First off, try clouds from High down to Low res, you'd be surprised how little you notice and how much fps you could gain

Cloud size back at default, or try furthest (lowest) left

The cloud area range try midway or less

Shadows in any game/sim are fps droppers, try off (for now, then if you get rest to your liking see what the fps hit is)

Try sparse particles for now

Set the above, then start upping, i would try to get the cloud res/size acceptable, then try broadening the raduis of them in conjunction with the actual cloud size

I found it best to start at low settings and work up, i find it easier anyways that way

For me, i find size/type of cloud i can live with, then go from there

Food for thought

Tony

 

Edited May 2, 2016 by Defiance_co
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[sundog]

How much of a "FPS drop" are we talking about here, and for how long?

[Acesimulation]

54 minutes ago, Defiance_co said:

Hiya,

First off, try clouds from High down to Low res, you'd be surprised how little you notice and how much fps you could gain

Cloud size back at default, or try furthest (lowest) left

The cloud area range try midway or less

Shadows in any game/sim are fps droppers, try off (for now, then if you get rest to your liking see what the fps hit is)

Try sparse particles for now

Set the above, then start upping, i would try to get the cloud res/size acceptable, then try broadening the raduis of them in conjunction with the actual cloud size

I found it best to start at low settings and work up, i find it easier anyways that way

For me, i find size/type of cloud i can live with, then go from there

Food for thought

Tony

 

I Tried what you said, but I am still getting spiking, and freezing, FPS drop to 4 fps then suddenly back to 50 fps. It is getting really annoying. I'm starting to think that it's either sky maxx or real weather connector:

 

These are my sky maxx settings now:

 

Xplane 10 settings : 

 

Thanks

[Defiance_co]

Hiya,

Damn, your roads and cars i can't even reproduce on my rig lol

I use noaa/smp/rwc, the rwc i use checked/ticked middle option of the three as i have noaa working

Besides background stuff running, i can only suggest dropping the roads/cars down and checking the rwc settings just to see if any changes occur (trying different options as per rwc post)

I found one thing but maybe it's only me, i have 4gb vram, if i venture up to the 2gb usage mark as per checking via x-planes render options, i can get stuttering/fps drop

So i check in heavy fps dropping places eg : free klax/eham etc to find a balance 2gn usage or less at high fps drop areas

I don;t run Extended DSF no more either, will do when i get new gpu

Tony

ps: I have ati/amd gpu at the moment, google etc for your nvidia settings/control panel etc, maybe those might benefit with checking or changing settings ?

 

 

[Acesimulation]

Hopefully a developer will check my settings and see what they have to say/help

 

Thanks

[sundog]

I agree your "stuff to draw" settings are too high.

For your SMP settings, I see you messed with the cloud min and max size settings. I would recommend hitting the reset button on the SMP config and see if things get better. You can probably get away with a higher than default cloud draw area setting on your rig, but I wouldn't mess with anything else until things are working to your liking.

Keep in mind that SMP does need to recreate all of the clouds whenever you cross a 1-degree tile boundary. This is expected to cause a few dropped frames momentarily, but it shouldn't happen very often unless you're flying at supersonic speeds or something.

[Acesimulation]

2 hours ago, sundog said:

I agree your "stuff to draw" settings are too high.

For your SMP settings, I see you messed with the cloud min and max size settings. I would recommend hitting the reset button on the SMP config and see if things get better. You can probably get away with a higher than default cloud draw area setting on your rig, but I wouldn't mess with anything else until things are working to your liking.

Keep in mind that SMP does need to recreate all of the clouds whenever you cross a 1-degree tile boundary. This is expected to cause a few dropped frames momentarily, but it shouldn't happen very often unless you're flying at supersonic speeds or something.

What xplane 10 settings would you recommend for my specs ?

[TimeTraveler]

9 hours ago, fozzybear711 said:

What xplane 10 settings would you recommend for my specs ?

Hi Fozzy, definitely turn way down your cloud terrain blend in SMP in the lower right of control panel, to below 500 to begin with. Also, post your NVIDIA control panel settings... may help..some settings will kill frames. Take a screen shot of first settings, then scroll down and screen shot again.  When I get back I'll look unless someone beats me to it lol....btw, in xplane settings, turn down cars

[Acesimulation]

6 hours ago, TimeTraveler said:

Hi Fozzy, definitely turn way down your cloud terrain blend in SMP in the lower right of control panel, to below 500 to begin with. Also, post your NVIDIA control panel settings... may help..some settings will kill frames. Take a screen shot of first settings, then scroll down and screen shot again.  When I get back I'll look unless someone beats me to it lol....btw, in xplane settings, turn down cars

http://imgur.com/a/47nAM 

 

Thats the link for the nvidia settings 

What I have noticed as well, I can maintain 60 fps then xplane will freeze for like 5 seconds, Unfreeze and it will stay at 19 fps which is very strange. I turn some settings down again in SMP and it goes back to 60 fps. It's very odd

Edited May 3, 2016 by fozzybear711

[sundog]

Are you overclocking anything? Overheating is a possibility.

But, what you're describing really sounds like your video driver is struggling with memory management. Once you get into that 19 FPS state, does SMP's configuration still show that you have close to a gigabyte of free VRAM?

 

[TimeTraveler]

15 hours ago, fozzybear711 said:

http://imgur.com/a/47nAM 

 

Thats the link for the nvidia settings 

What I have noticed as well, I can maintain 60 fps then xplane will freeze for like 5 seconds, Unfreeze and it will stay at 19 fps which is very strange. I turn some settings down again in SMP and it goes back to 60 fps. It's very odd

Didn't see Threaded optimization, Triple Buffering or Vertical sync represented there in your pic. They should be off (very important) if they're not. Try turning Gamma correction off as well.

[Defiance_co]

Hiya's,

To give you an idea, this is my highest x-plane settings pic ever (without smp/rwc installed !! i stress without)

I run i7 5820k at 4.7ghz - 32gb ddr4 at 3000 - R9 290x at 1267/1354 - Cpu+Gpu are watercooled, max temp of cpu 100% load 57c gpu well under limits and i no longer check

Now from looking the 970 runs just under the r9-290x in many things, and i swap from nvidia/ati as/when needed

With that taken into account, at this moment cleaning my game/sim up (housekeeping in custom scenery mainly lol) i have only Airport Navigator and autogate installed

Here's the pic, and it rarely drops down below 24 at eham/klax etc

Best add, i know for damn sure when i put smp back i will surely have to lower somethings, but in reality, that will be where i was anyways, and i know smp for me actually raises my fps, just been testing and cleaning up

TTFN

Tony

ps : Res is 1920x1200 vsync off but on sometimes with mon refresh locked at 60hz smoothes things !

Edited May 4, 2016 by Defiance_co
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[Acesimulation]

17 hours ago, sundog said:

Are you overclocking anything? Overheating is a possibility.

But, what you're describing really sounds like your video driver is struggling with memory management. Once you get into that 19 FPS state, does SMP's configuration still show that you have close to a gigabyte of free VRAM?

 

My CPU is overclocked to 4.2ghz, nothing else, When my frames drop, i go into SMP and turn some sliders down and click apply, then I get my frames back. These are my current settings :  

 

4 hours ago, Defiance_co said:

Hiya's,

To give you an idea, this is my highest x-plane settings pic ever (without smp/rwc installed !! i stress without)

I run i7 5820k at 4.7ghz - 32gb ddr4 at 3000 - R9 290x at 11267/1354 - Cpu+Gpu are watercooled, max temp of cpu 100% load 57c gpu well under limits and i no longer check

Now from looking the 970 runs just under the r9-290x in many things, and i swap from nvidia/ati as/when needed

With that taken into account, at this moment cleaning my game/sim up (housekeeping in custom scenery mainly lol) i have only Airport Navigator and autogate installed

Here's the pic, and it rarely drops down below 24 at eham/klax etc

Best add, i know for damn sure when i put smp back i will surely have to lower somethings, but in reality, that will be where i was anyways, and i know smp for me actually raises my fps, just been testing and cleaning up

TTFN

Tony

ps : Res is 1920x1200 vsync off but on sometimes with mon refresh locked at 60hz smoothes things !

I shall give these settings a go then 

 

Thanks

Edited May 4, 2016 by fozzybear711

[sundog]

I can tell you there's nothing particularly challenging with your SMP settings. I also have a GTX970 and can run smoothly with higher settings.

Try Tony's settings - or just try the "medium" preset on the render settings. If that works better, start adding the features you care about the most until you reach the right balance for you.

And I would recommend disabling overclocking as a test. I've seen it cause weird problems like this firsthand.

[Acesimulation]

7 minutes ago, sundog said:

I can tell you there's nothing particularly challenging with your SMP settings. I also have a GTX970 and can run smoothly with higher settings.

Try Tony's settings - or just try the "medium" preset on the render settings. If that works better, start adding the features you care about the most until you reach the right balance for you.

And I would recommend disabling overclocking as a test. I've seen it cause weird problems like this firsthand.

What are your SMP settings ?

[Acesimulation]

5 hours ago, Defiance_co said:

Hiya's,

To give you an idea, this is my highest x-plane settings pic ever (without smp/rwc installed !! i stress without)

I run i7 5820k at 4.7ghz - 32gb ddr4 at 3000 - R9 290x at 11267/1354 - Cpu+Gpu are watercooled, max temp of cpu 100% load 57c gpu well under limits and i no longer check

Now from looking the 970 runs just under the r9-290x in many things, and i swap from nvidia/ati as/when needed

With that taken into account, at this moment cleaning my game/sim up (housekeeping in custom scenery mainly lol) i have only Airport Navigator and autogate installed

Here's the pic, and it rarely drops down below 24 at eham/klax etc

Best add, i know for damn sure when i put smp back i will surely have to lower somethings, but in reality, that will be where i was anyways, and i know smp for me actually raises my fps, just been testing and cleaning up

TTFN

Tony

ps : Res is 1920x1200 vsync off but on sometimes with mon refresh locked at 60hz smoothes things !

Tony, FPS are great the moment !! But I don't like my ground textures, there were clear before ?

 

[Defiance_co]

Hiya,

Move your Min/Max cloud size slider all the way to left

Change soft to Fast

Put Cirrus down to Low (you'd be surprised how very good they still look)

Then try and then just try adjusting your Cloud Area Covered slider

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You can go here dl that, and run as admin if needbe ...  https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/processexplorer.aspx

If stuff's running in the background that you don't need, stop it auto starting on boot, or use a start-up util (can't rem the name of one i used to use, and don't use the windows option msconfig)

It will show you what cwap's running on your rig, and then you can set to work if needbe stopping it

If you have W10 i would suggest of not already got it ....... Spybot Anti-Beacon, and set all to Blocked, unless you use certain items

I don't know how advanced you are with windows and the registry etc, so the above you may already have/know

Here's an example of my nephews rig i built up for him a few years ago .............

Power on, takes around 3mins to hit windows desktop !!

Then it's like a slide show until every auto start item does its thing

From Messenger to Audio stuff, if i ever have a net outage and have to use his, i always go through it and stop all the 'loas on windows start' cwap

He's 34 ffs lol, i've been showing him to do this basic housekeeping for 20yrs, then he's amazed as his pc boots fast and is responsive when it hits windows lol

Then monthts down the line he's got the same cwap running again on lmao !!

Anyways ............ i do run HD Mesh v3 fine n dandy too, had it almost from the day i got x-plane last december, and i only had 12gb ddr3 then and an old i7 920

If you have plugins you don't use or can do without, i would remove those too

I have always been anal about background cwap running for no reason and it's stood me in good stead, if you're one that has stuff auto loading with windows then do yourself a favour and dig deep and get stuff off until you require it

W10, man that installs and you've got the whole bloody App Store running

Anyways, info and rant over (bad day here lol)

Hope ya get it sorted

Tony

ps: Even a Titan X can't run stock x-plane 10 fully maxed, and i very much doubt pascal or two generations after will either

 

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2016 by Defiance_co

[gcharrie]

Putting settings to Fast helped a lot for me (to eliminate stutters). And the clouds look is still nice.

 

On 4/5/2016 at 5:54 PM, Defiance_co said:

Move your Min/Max cloud size slider all the way to left

Does this help to improve performances ? I hesitate to put the cloud size to minimum as I thought XP would have more clouds to draw (as they are smaller), giving bad performance.

 

[Defiance_co]

Hiya,

It's swings and roundabouts

Try that setting when they are in your face so to speak, and when they are scarce in the sky, make a profile for each occasion

And don't forget, the profile saver (can't rem name offhand) is a great tool to use, i ended up with a ithink 6 settings configs

I do understand what you mean though

As it is now, i backed-up smp+rwc and i'm still in the process of clearing/cleaning/editing my custom scenery folder, removing items i no longer need after a fresh minty x-plane 10 install

The stuff i've removed is basic items i don't need or dislike, but, i have a nice ini now

Just try and take note, of course weather needs to be there to test

Any try to forget about getting hooked on fps rates, if it's smooth then turn whatever fps checker you have off, trust me, getting hooked on checking the fps rate ends up ruining the fun

Have Fun

Tony

 

[Acesimulation]

On 03/05/2016 at 5:43 PM, sundog said:

Are you overclocking anything? Overheating is a possibility.

But, what you're describing really sounds like your video driver is struggling with memory management. Once you get into that 19 FPS state, does SMP's configuration still show that you have close to a gigabyte of free VRAM?

 

So it happened again , the lock at 19fps and here is what i see in the configuration :