How to mix and match custom scenery for optimal results?

[captain420]

I have just recently purchased the realscenery oahu package for use with X-Plane 10.20 64bit. The photoscenery looks pretty nice but there are some conflicting issues I am having with some of my custom scenery. For example I am using a 3rd party custom scenery for the PHNL airport, and there seems to be issues with the runway and other airport objects and buildings not lining up, so what you see is the orthophoto image of PHNL underneath the actual airport and it looks very bad.

 

Another issue I'm having is with night lighting and OSM overlays. I am using a 3rd party OSM autogen overlay scenery from http://simheaven.com/?p=1209 for the entire north america. What I noticed right away are most of the roads and autogen buildings gone. 

 

So is there a way to use just the ortho photo scenery from realscenery oahu without using its autogen and what not? I would like to use my existing 3rd party airport and osm autogen scenery instead. 

[Cameron]

RealScenery does not come with autogen. It does come with road data, however, and you may rid of that in the Oahu overlays folder in your Custom Scenery folder.

 

The issue with airport alignment is more complex. Our scenery has been adjusted for real world placement and alignment. You'll see in the overlays folder is the airport data file which contains the taxiway layout information. I really don't think there's an easy way to deal with that part of the issue you are seeing with the exception of going into a tool like overlay editor and moving your Oahu buildings around.

[captain420]

I see, so would I put the Oahu folder underneath the osm_northamerica_autogen or above it under my scenery.ini file? I want to use the road and autogen data of that instead and only use the orthophoto from realscenery oahu.

 

This is how my scenery order looks like:

 

 

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SCENERY

 

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Wide Taxiway Markings Library Replacement/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/_NZCH_Christchurch_Airport_Photo_Scenery/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EBBR Brussels/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDF Frankfurt/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDH Hamburg/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDK Cologne/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDM Munich/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDS Stuttgart/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDT Berlin Tegel/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDDV Hannover/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EDLP Paderborn-Lippstadt/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGBB Birmingham/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGKK London-Gatwick/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGLL Heathrow/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGPF Glasgow/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EGSS London-Stansted/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EHAM Airport Amsterdam/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - EIDW Dublin/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEBL Barcelona/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LEMD Madrid/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFMN Nice Cote d Azur X/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFPG Paris CDG/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LFPO Paris Orly/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LPFR Faro/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Aerosoft - LSGG Genf/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Dallas_FtWorth/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/EDDM_3_3/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/ff_library_extended_LOD/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/FlyTampa-Dubai/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/FlyTampa-HongKong/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/FlyTampa-Maarten/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/GOLDEN_GATE_KSFO_XP-10/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/HI_KONA_INTL_AT_KEAHOLE_PHKO v 1.0/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KBOS v10/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KIAH - Houston George Bush Intctl Airport v1.4 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KJFK - NY_JFK_INTL_KJFK v 1.0 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAS/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLAX - Los Angeles/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KLGA - New York La Guardia/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Area/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/KSEA Demo Terrain/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Kwonizm - Big Island Mod/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/NT_Societe_1/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/NT_Societe_2/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/NT_Societe_3/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PARIS_LFPG_DSF/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHDH - USA_HI_OAHU_PHDH_Dillingham Airfield v 1.0 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHHI - USA_HI_OAHU_PHHI_Wheeler_AAF v1.3/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHHN - USA_HI_MAUI_PHHN_Hana Maui Airport v 1.0 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHJR - USA_HI_OAHU_PHJR_Barbers Point USCG v 1.0 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHLI - USA_HI_KAUAI_PHLI_Lihue Airport v 1.0 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHMK - USA_HI_MOLOKAI_PHMK_Molokai Airport v1.0 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHNL - Honolulu Intl v2.1 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHNP - USA_HI_OAHU_NPS_Ford Island NALF Airport v 1.0 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHPA - USA_HI_KAUAI_PAK_Port Allen Airport v 1.0 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/PHTO - HI_HILO_INTL_PHTO v 1.0 by Frede/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/USA_AK_PAED_Elmendorf AFB v 1.0/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/USA_AK_PALH_Lake Hood/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/USA_AK_PANC_Ted Stevens Anchorage Intl Airport/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/USA_AK_Z-41_Lake Hood Strip/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/USA_HI_MAUI_PHJH_Kapalua West Maui Airport Lahaina v 1.0/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/USA_HI_MAUI_PHOG_Kahului Intl Airport v 3.0/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/USA_HI_OAHU_PHNG_Kaneohe MCBH v 2.0/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/USA_NJ_KEWR_Newark Liberty Airport v 1.0/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/VHHH_Hong_Kong_FSX/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/YPAD Adelaide Airport Photo Scenery/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/YSSY Sydney Airport Photo Scenery/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/R2_Library/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/ruscenery/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/san_diego/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/OpenSceneryX/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Vehicle Library Extension/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/sydney_downtown/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Osm_Asia_osm+autogen/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Osm_Australia-Oceania_osm+autogen/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Osm_Europe_osm+autogen/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Osm_North-America_osm+autogen/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Osm_South-America_osm+autogen/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Oahu/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/Urban_Maxx_Extreme_V2_3D/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z+29-096_USA_Houston_gc17/

SCENERY_PACK Custom Scenery/z+52+004_NED_Amsterdam+Rotterdam_gc17/

Edited March 16, 2013 by captain420

[Cameron]

I see, so would I put the Oahu folder underneath the osm_northamerica_autogen or above it under my scenery.ini file?

 

Underneath.

[captain420]

Okay I've done that but still am losing my autogen buildings. I even tried placing Oahu scenery at the very bottom. I did a quick test and removed the entire Oahu folder, and then all my autogen buildings, roads, came back. Not sure what the problem is. Why is this still happening even when the Oahu scenery is placed at the very bottom and the osm_northamerica_autogen is well above it? Shouldn't the X-plane read the earthdatanav folder from that instead of the one in Oahu folder since I placed it above?

[Cameron]

Okay I've done that but still am losing my autogen buildings. I even tried placing Oahu scenery at the very bottom. I did a quick test and removed the entire Oahu folder, and then all my autogen buildings, roads, came back. Not sure what the problem is. Why is this still happening even when the Oahu scenery is placed at the very bottom and the osm_northamerica_autogen is well above it? Shouldn't the X-plane read the earthdatanav folder from that instead of the one in Oahu folder since I placed it above?

 

As I do not have the add-on you speak of and it is not a part of our package, I am unsure as to why your load order is having issues. OSM2XP overlays seem to work fine over Oahu. 

 

Sorry I couldn't conclude this for you!

[captain420]

Here's a video to maybe explain this better. This is a video showing vfr scenery with x-plane's ism autogen and roads overlayed on top of the photoscenery. This is what I'm trying to achieve with the realscenery oahu package. Take note that during night time it uses x-plane's default osm+autogen buildings and roads for lighting which looks amazing on top of vfr photo scenery. Now you get the best of both worlds, Flying during the day looks beautiful just like flying at night.

 

 

Edited April 25, 2013 by captain420

[captain420]

Mario, I tried to get osm+autogen buildings and roads to overlay on top of realscenery vfr but couldn't as well. But I believe there's a way to do this. There's currently a discussion going on at the x-plane forum on how to do this. That seems to be the only missing link. Flying at high altitudes, these photo/vfr scenery looks spectacular, but the lower you fly, then it doesn't look so good. So if there's a way to get osm+autogen buildings and roads over these photo sceneries then we would have something amazing. Here's a video of what I'm talking about.

 

 

That's something I wish to accomplish with these photo sceneries. I look forward to purchasing the norcal scenery if this is possible. Simply ordering the sceneries doesn't seem to make it work. There seems to be more involved.

Edited April 25, 2013 by captain420

[Cameron]

Mario, I tried to get osm+autogen buildings and roads to overlay on top of realscenery vfr but couldn't as well. But I believe there's a way to do this. There's currently a discussion going on at the x-plane forum on how to do this. That seems to be the only missing link. Flying at high altitudes, these photo/vfr scenery looks spectacular, but the lower you fly, then it doesn't look so good. So if there's a way to get osm+autogen buildings and roads over these photo sceneries then we would have something amazing. Here's a video of what I'm talking about.

That's something I wish to accomplish with these photo sceneries. I look forward to purchasing the norcal scenery if this is possible. Simply ordering the sceneries doesn't seem to make it work. There seems to be more involved.

It's been done many times already and screenshots are floating around about it. The only reason I could see it not working would be due to load order settings. Even in internal tests we have had this work without a hitch. It's definitely not rocket science.

[captain420]

I know this is possible, this video shown here is using Realscenery's Florida scenery package:

 

 

It's not done by reordering the scenery around though. Some other method is used. This is what I was trying to accomplish with your scenery packages as I mentioned in another thread. However reordering the scenery package order doesn't make this work like in the videos posted above.

 

Do you think it would be possible in the future to release or update all realscenery photo scenery packages to have this feature right out of the box for the customers?

Edited April 25, 2013 by captain420

[Cameron]

It's not done by reordering the scenery around though. Some other method is used. This is what I was trying to accomplish with your scenery packages as I mentioned in another thread. However reordering the scenery package order doesn't make this work like in the videos posted above.

 

For legacy products like the one shown there you would need to first remove the already included overlays (XP 9 style).

 

 

Do you think it would be possible in the future to release or update all realscenery photo scenery packages to have this feature right out of the box for the customers?

 

Unknown.

[Cameron]

Take note that during night time it uses x-plane's default osm+autogen buildings and roads for lighting which looks amazing on top of vfr photo scenery.

 

That's definitely not default data if buildings are correctly placed. It's someone's custom osm data (or possibly ONLY road default data) in an overlay dsf loaded (by load order) on top of Florida.

[captain420]

So then is realscenery oahu's considered a legacy product as it didn't seem to work there by reordering the scenery order.

Edited April 25, 2013 by captain420

[Cameron]

So then is realscenery oahu's considered a legacy product as it didn't seem to work there as well? 

 

Nope, that is an Enhanced product. It works plenty fine there if you do the overlays correctly. Benny from OSM2XP even had a building set for this.

[captain420]

Great! I look forward to trying that out then. Do you happen to know where I may find the building set that you mentioned?

[Cameron]

Great! I look forward to trying that out then. Do you happen to know where I may find the building set that you mentioned?

I actually don't. Do a search of OSM2XP and ask the webmaster there.

[Femke]

Great! I look forward to trying that out then. Do you happen to know where I may find the building set that you mentioned?

http://osm2xp.com/

[Haui]

I have the exact same problem like captain 420. If RS Oahu enhanced is installed, I don't get any default autogen or osm autogen. Even Ted's Hawaii package doesn't show up (http://theosdavis.com/xpfiles/downloads_v9.html). Load order does not change anything. Do the orthophotos have some kind of exclusion zones in them ? It's the only reason I can think of that would make all autogen disappear.