Nicola_M

I agree. It's been said elsewhere that it's all well and good to rely on automation, but when said automation fails, the basics go to pot.

BUT, as I've said a couple of times, right now that's indeed what it looks like, but so far there are no cold hard facts to say for sure it was pilot error. I'm not overly concerned at 43 hours out of 9,793 on the 777. Most of us are able to fly planes here with considerably less time. I'm more concerned at how many/few of those 9,793 hours were spent hands on or as a passenger.

NTSB still haven't released (tweeted) anything more than basic cockpit facts that most of us knew from the videos anyway. I just hope the cause of the crash isn't what it actually looks like, because the end result could be most of that region's airlines barred from entering European and US airspace, like certain substandard African airlines have been.

I've just seen the video of the crash in full. Quite sobering. Very sad that lives were lost, young lives too. Just hope whatever cause the NTSB identifies helps prevent this happening again.

Just curious - considering we've all got a pretty damn decent flight sim - anyone tempted to try a landing on SFO 28R CAVOK without ILS, G/S and PAPI in a heavy? Wouldn't mind knowing if anyone screws the pooch. I'm going to give it a go in an hour or so. The only jet "heavy" I've got with a 3D pit is the AN-148.

Personally, I agree with you and if pilots aren't up to the task they shouldn't be in the job. The CRM procedure stuff and the ethos of that region do make a compelling argument as to the cause........... in the absence of facts.

eaglewing All I'm saying is let's not jump to conclusions. Yes, pilots should be able to land at a given runway without use of any visual aids. No, the withdrawal of PAPI, ILS and G/S shouldn't have any bearing on the outcome either, but like I said earlier - it certainly didn't help. Which is why I'm saying, for all we know these guys could be US trained - not led by the CRM stuff like their chums - and have just had a mechanical/technical issue. We could tar them with the same brush as the rest of their country, like the ppruners are doing. Or we could be intelligent, say "let's not lynch them," and wait to see what the official version is. I have my own suspicions as to the cause, but I'm waiting to see what the NTSB come up with.

I saw the same CRM stuff too, but I'm keeping an open mind until the NTSB speaks. Those on a certain pp forum are bashing them just because their experience of that country's pilots is less than ideal. Doesn't mean they're all like it. For all we know, these particular pilots could well be US-trained and just unfortunate recipients of a technical/mechanical issue. I definitely want to ask which plank thought it was a great idea to remove all the landing aids at a busy international passenger airport. It may not have been the cause, but it certainly didn't help.

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Whatever the cause, it's very sad two children died. Just thankful it wasn't far, far worse.

The NTSB is due to make a preliminary report tonight, but not really fair just to assume pilot error. It's sort of clear what the 777's landing sequence was, but we don't know why.

Uh, no. 1. The tail came off because they descended at 1,300fpm, undershot the threshold, with throttles at flight idle, and stalled it, striking the tail on the sea wall. The tail didn't just fall off. 2. It also did cartwheels, according to one "eyewitness." Flipped and cartwheels are things that the thick public mistake ground loops for. Of note, ILS, PAPI and glideslope were turned off at SFO yesterday, according to posters on PPrune.

Uh, you can't. It's a one-off I created as a feasibilty exercise around the medevac MD902, based on the real MD902 Combat Explorer from 1995. The weapons are added in PlaneMaker, so I can't just post it up as a complete aircraft. On top of that, because no one makes weapon mounts, I had to cobble together twenty-two other weapons in PM to make the weapon arms, meaning it's memory-hungry, crashed my system a number of times, and I was limited where I could fly it. Until a dev comes up with a simple weapon arm, it's just not worth the effort imo.

Border Patrol - South East Asia, in the MD902 Combat Explorer

Happy 4th of July to our American friends.

Check your pm's Valentin. It's the EC120 in my screenshot. I think it's from the org. x-plane.ch have the EC130-B4 but I can't tell if it's for xp9 or xp10.

I may be right in thinking it may have a 3D cockpit, like their 737 from there does. If so, it's worth having. I have their 737 and it's nice. EDIT: It does.

"Nicolas" for a start.....

Having fun with Ground at EGKK.

It is a good heli, on a par with Brett's 500. The EC-120 is let down though by a lack of exterior detailing and does look like a v7 heli, but fun to fly tho.

Did you ever solve that propeller logo issue? Even I did a lot of googling and came up with nothing. Looks great anyway.

Not again. Take it elsewhere, puh-lease. If you think it's a banned person, report it to Cameron. Really annoying to see this thread constantly devolve into "I think you're Erik."

..... except if you're onboard Found myself yelling "Airplane ahead!" "TREE!" "LAMPPOST!" Nice vid.