Julien Pham Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Hi, I wonder if there is somewhere I can find a really good (by good I mean visually and about the flight model) PA38-112 Tomahawk for X-plane 10? I don't care if I have to pay for it. I'll maybe (not sure yet) learn to fly and this is the plane at my local aeroclub. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kallinen Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Looked all over, no Tomahawk. But this XPFR plane for free is a perfect trainer for XP10.http://xpfr.org/?body=aero_accueil&av=17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Pham Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Thanks. What I wonder is, if I train for real, is it ok to train in the sim in another plain? It will help?I have found a tomahawk here:http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=11697 But dunno how good it is. I mean, when it comes to flight model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kallinen Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Found this one, payware for 9.70 up. But it looks no better then your link.http://www.x-hangar.com/store/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=19 I would stick with the French planes, they are seriously dedicated group and been around a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kallinen Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Training in any plane in sim will help training for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Pham Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Though I think I'll try to train in the same aircraft, so I can compare the sim vs the real thing, and be at home with the instrument positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Pham Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I have found this piper set:http://www.c74.net/xplane/_piper.html But I don't know how realistic the flight model of those is... i don't know C74. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kallinen Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I have found this piper set:http://www.c74.net/xplane/_piper.html But I don't know how realistic the flight model of those is... i don't know C74.I have Jason`s entire Piper fleet released back in 9x. They need work and I rarely even try them. Have yet to try them 10x yet if they even open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ointment Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 +1 on Chandler's Pipers. I haven't tried some of the more modern, high-end payware aircraft, but based on everything I've read, the handling of Chandler's planes are second to none. At the end of the day, what could possibly be more important than that?I used his Piper Warrior for several hundred hours to become a r/w instrument-rated pilot. I also used the Saratoga to increase my workload, so that when I flew a 172 in the real world, things would be that much easier. As it turned out, I eventually stepped into a very high performance aircraft (faster than the Saratoga, in fact), so I'm very grateful that I spent the time in his higher end airplanes, too.There is absolutely no way that I would have reached my current level of proficiency were it not for his aircraft.KeithPilotEdge - Real ATC for the virtual environment They are updated to V10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola_M Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) I would take some of those "glowing reviews" lightly. I looked at the reviews left for his Bell 206 and all I can say is either their expectations were very low, or they weren't aware there are more realistic models out there with accurate cockpits and panels. You certainly couldn't learn to fly a Bell 430 based on his.So I hope his Pipers are a lot better. Edited October 23, 2013 by Nicola_M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicFrawg Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Thanks. What I wonder is, if I train for real, is it ok to train in the sim in another plain? It will help?I have found a tomahawk here:http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=11697 But dunno how good it is. I mean, when it comes to flight model. I have that tomahawk, It a good plane for freeware. Before you buy anything wait a few months. Chances are Alabeo will release their Tomahawk for X-Plane.http://www.alabeo.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Pham Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Yes he sent me a mail saying he will do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ointment Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 I would take some of those "glowing reviews" lightly. I looked at the reviews left for his Bell 206 and all I can say is either their expectations were very low, or they weren't aware there are more realistic models out there with accurate cockpits and panels. You certainly couldn't learn to fly a Bell 430 based on his.So I hope his Pipers are a lot better.True, Chandler's planes use stock X-Plane gauges and instruments. True, Chandler's planes don't have photo textures. If you're looking for the latest and greatest eye candy, Chandler's planes aren't for you. If by "realistic models" you are referring to the way they look, then Chandler's planes aren't for you. But if you're looking for planes with the best flight models available, then Chandler's planes are for you. If flight model is the most important feature for you, Chandler's planes are the most accurate available. I'm not arguing your opinion, but I know Jason personally and I know of many helicopter pilots flying his models for training purposes. No, they don't simulate full systems, but they FLY like the real thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola_M Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 I just found it strange how, for example, with his Bell 430 one would realistically train up in a cockpit with default xplane switches that bear little resemblance to a real 430 other than their vaguely-similar positions in the cockpit. I think I'd have difficulty driving a Ford Escort if it too came with xplane default switches, come to that. I wasn't insinuating that his aircraft needed to be photo-realistic, but certainly with his Bell 206 it needs work to at least make that panel look like a 206 one. Great if it flies like a 206, not so great if the view forward convinces you you're in something else.I just wonder how his 206 "flies better" than the Dreamfoil 206, even though that too was verified by 206 pilots as flying as close as the original as can be, and was out at the time of the review I read. I'm not picking holes, I am genuinely curious. Especially in light of my recent dealing with a company where, as an aside, they asked me for advice in setting up a training simulator. I had to decline, as I know nothing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan P. Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 You guys there is a finominal new one on the .org with a 3d cockpit to. If you look you will find it. I wanted one to since I flew it over the summer and the one in XP is very acurate. That is the only aircraft I have flown myself and I loved it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardthepilot1999 Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Uhhh there is one by Awall86. A piper PA-38-112 and it is extremely realistic, I thought it is very popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardthepilot1999 Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) I just found it strange how, for example, with his Bell 430 one would realistically train up in a cockpit with default xplane switches that bear little resemblance to a real 430 other than their vaguely-similar positions in the cockpit. I think I'd have difficulty driving a Ford Escort if it too came with xplane default switches, come to that. I wasn't insinuating that his aircraft needed to be photo-realistic, but certainly with his Bell 206 it needs work to at least make that panel look like a 206 one. Great if it flies like a 206, not so great if the view forward convinces you you're in something else.I just wonder how his 206 "flies better" than the Dreamfoil 206, even though that too was verified by 206 pilots as flying as close as the original as can be, and was out at the time of the review I read. I'm not picking holes, I am genuinely curious. Especially in light of my recent dealing with a company where, as an aside, they asked me for advice in setting up a training simulator. I had to decline, as I know nothing about it.Yeah he is not so talented at building helicopters. His Piper package though are used in Hong Kong Aviation club where I train for members who will leave for overseas training on Pipers, but we use custom panel sets which are certified by the FAA. I also bought PFC training equipment. Edited October 24, 2013 by howardthepilot1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T. Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Hong Kong...Hong Kong...Hong Kong Aviation club.... stahp D: the tomahawk is great! Chadler's planes are used by Cirrus... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardthepilot1999 Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Hong Kong...Hong Kong...Hong Kong Aviation club.... stahp D: the tomahawk is great! Chadler's planes are used by Cirrus... I agree, Tomahawk is awesome. Just climbs a little slow and the spin is crazy, made me wanna vomit but also made me wanna fly one for real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardthepilot1999 Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Thanks. What I wonder is, if I train for real, is it ok to train in the sim in another plain? It will help?I have found a tomahawk here:http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=11697 But dunno how good it is. I mean, when it comes to flight model.It flies quite close to real, my instructor have 100+ hours on the tomahawk back in flight school, got him to test it out and he was amazed by the accuracy of flight model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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