how to fly a direct

[maletin]

i have some problems when i use more than one holding.

sometimes the holding name is outdated at the hold page.

a the leg page it looks correct but the holding is ignored

or the exit knob is missing.

 

maybe this is related:

when i use the "DCT INT" page to enter a direct, i see a

new FIX at the current position.

this new fix get a label from my route (very confusing).

 

does anybody have the same problems or do you need

an example video?

 

crj-200 1.5.3

x-plane 10.11 32bit

win7 64bit

Edited December 4, 2012 by maletin

[cessna729]

i have some problems when i use more than one holding.

sometimes the holding name is outdated at the hold page.

Hi maletin, What do you mean "outdated"? What version of navdata are you using (Navigraph or Aerosoft NDP? cycle?).

when i use the "DCT INT" page to enter a direct, i see a

new FIX at the current position.

this new fix get a label from my route (very confusing).

does anybody have the same problems or do you need

an example video?

Video would be great or a copy of your active Flight Plan (saved in the routes folder, just rename .txt and attach to next post). Along with a short button by button description of the steps to cause the "problem", i.e "I pressed this button, that button and the FMS did that!", so that we can try and recreate the problem.

cessna729.

[maletin]

Hi maletin, What do you mean "outdated"? What version of navdata are you using (Navigraph or Aerosoft NDP? cycle?).

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thank you to help me to made this clear:

i have my first holding at fix ELMEM, than i  add holdings for ZUE or current position PPOS.

later i exit a holding and maybe i deleded a holding and before i enter the holding ZUE, i click on the hold-page.

there i see "ELMEM" as fix again. this is it, what i mean with outdated.

 

i think, i use airac october 2012 without problems.

Edited December 4, 2012 by maletin

[cessna729]

Hi maletin, lets keep this example simple and this section of the active flight plane has a WP (way point) at ELMEM and ZUE, and currently your'r 15nm from ELMEN,

the LEGS page would look like this:

ELMEM 282deg 15nm

ZUE 283deg 74nm

Now say you add a new HOLD at ELMEM (270/R), the LEGS page would now look like this:

ELMEM 282deg 14nm

ELMEM HOLD 0 0

ZUE 283deg 74nm

Next before you get to ELMEM, you add a new HOLD at ZUE (270/R), the LEGS page would now look like this:

ELMEM 282deg 11nm

ELMEM HOLD 0 0

ZUE 283deg 74nm

ZUE HOLD 0 0

And the HOLD page should now have two entries, ELMEM and ZUE.

When you arrive at ELMEN, the hold should trigger and the HOLD icon on the ND should turn magenta and on The ELMEM HOLD page the option EXIT will be enabled. The LEGS page now looks like this:

ELMEM HOLD 0 0

ZUE 283deg 74nm

ZUE HOLD 0 0

If you use the EXIT option on ELMEM HOLD page, the next time over the fix it should set course for the next WP ie. ZUE and remove ELMEM HOLD from the LEGS page, thus:

ZUE 283deg 74nm

ZUE HOLD 0 0

If you manually DELeted ELMEN from the LEGS page (you would have to DEL both ELMEN entries.

cessna729.

[maletin]

in general you are right, but in my case it was not that simple.

if nobody else confirm this problem, i will try to find the simliest example to reproduce this problem.

Edited December 4, 2012 by maletin

[maletin]

Here is my example:

http://youtu.be/k6GN6097Bks

CRJ-200 1.5.3 for X-Plane 10.11
Direct to DEGES.
Current Position is now called LOWI.
Holding over DEGES and ROLSA.
After not entering DEGES: Deleting DEGES.
The HOLD-page shows now ELMEM (and old Waypoint).

Edited December 9, 2012 by maletin

[philipp]

please check your pm.

[maletin]

i still have the same problem with:

crj-200 1.5.3

x-plane 10.20.beta11 32bit

win7 64bit

 

but the version 1.5.3 is more or less 1.4.5 with 64bit-support.

my friend with version 1.5.2 does not have this problem.

[philipp]

There was no change in HOLD logic from 1.5.2 to 1.5.3. So if it doesn't occur for your friend with 1.5.2, it is because you are doing something different.

[maletin]

There was no change in HOLD logic from 1.5.2 to 1.5.3. So if it doesn't occur for your friend with 1.5.2, it is because you are doing something different.

i'm flying with vatsim => i'm using 32bit x-plane.

"Index -> Status" reports "program NS 1.4.5-aee94cb".

So the right question may be: is there a difference between 1.4.5 and 1.5.2?

I tried two hours to add the fixes and holdings, but i will try it again with http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/63223-2013-01-20-crj-200-vatsim-lowi/#entry450731'>klaus74.

Edited January 21, 2013 by maletin

[philipp]

 

i'm flying with vatsim => i'm using 32bit x-plane.

"Index -> Status" reports "program NS 1.4.5-aee94cb".

So the right question may be: is there a difference between 1.4.5 and 1.5.2?

I tried two hours to add the fixes and holdings, but i will try it again with klaus74.

 

 

yes, the 32bit version is 1.4.5. There is no such thing as a 1.5.3 for 32bit. 

I'm not entirely sure, but there might well be a difference between 1.4.5 and 1.5.2.

[maletin]

yes, the 32bit version is 1.4.5. There is no such thing as a 1.5.3 for 32bit. 

I'm not entirely sure, but there might well be a difference between 1.4.5 and 1.5.2.

it would be nice to have a CHANGELOG.

I believe, there is a difference and I found a relevant http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=58385&p=644885'>thread at x-plane.org.

[philipp]

This is an entirely different thing - it refers to the entry method of the holding, once the holding is active. It has nothing to do with the sequencing of waypoints, even if one of them is a holding.

 

EDIT: Changelogs for each major version can be found in the Manuals folder of the CRJ.

Edited January 25, 2013 by philipp