dpny Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 Seems to be missing SID data for runway 04 at LFMN. Tried to fly out of there and couldn't find a SID. There was a long list for 22, but according to the latest charts I could find at Eurocontrol, there should be a long list at 04 as well.This is with the latest data from Navigraph.
Cameron Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 Can you look through the Navigraph raw data and see if it even exists? This doesn't sound like a CRJ error, but more like lack of information from Navigraph.
dpny Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Posted May 22, 2011 grep 04 LFMN.xml gives:grep 04 LFMN.*<ProceduresDB version="AIRAC 1103 Rev.1 by Navigraph/Navdata" build="04/21/2011 18:40 UTC" xsi:schemaLocation="http://tempuri.org/XMLSchema.xsd FMC.xsd" xmlns="http://tempuri.org/XMLSchema.xsd" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"> <Sid Name="BASI5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="BASI5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Sid Name="BODR5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Sid Name="BODR5B" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Sid Name="BODR5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="BODR5L" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Sid Name="EPOL5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN048</Name> <Sid Name="EPOL5B" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN048</Name> <Sid Name="EPOL5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="EPOL5L" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Sid Name="IRMA5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Sid Name="IRMA5C" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="IRMA5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="IRMA5M" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Sid Name="LONS5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN046</Name> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="LONS5B" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN048</Name> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="LONS5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="LONS5L" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="OKTE5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Sid Name="OKTE5B" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Sid Name="OKTE5C" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="OKTE5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="OKTE5L" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="OKTE5M" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Sid Name="PERU5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Sid Name="PERU5B" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Sid Name="PERU5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="PERU5L" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.045111</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Longitude>7.046389</Longitude> <Sid Name="RUBA5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN048</Name> <Sid Name="RUBA5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="SODR5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN046</Name> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="SODR5B" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN048</Name> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="SODR5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="SODR5L" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="STP5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN048</Name> <Sid Name="STP5B" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN048</Name> <Sid Name="STP5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Sid Name="STP5L" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Latitude>43.204747</Latitude> <Sid Name="VARE5A" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN046</Name> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="VARE5B" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Name>MN044</Name> <Name>MN048</Name> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="VARE5E" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Sid Name="VARE5L" Runways="04L,04R"> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Latitude>43.104722</Latitude> <Approach Name="VORD04L"> <Name>FD04L</Name> <Latitude>43.510464</Latitude> <Name>PD04L</Name> <Latitude>43.562047</Latitude> <Name>RW04L</Name> <Longitude>7.204042</Longitude> <Latitude>43.420495</Latitude> <Longitude>7.204494</Longitude> <Approach Name="VORD04R"> <Name>FD04R</Name> <Latitude>43.510464</Latitude> <Name>PD04R</Name> <Latitude>43.562047</Latitude> <Name>RW04R</Name> <Latitude>43.420495</Latitude> <Longitude>7.204494</Longitude> <Approach Name="ILS04L"> <Name>CI04L</Name> <Name>FI04L</Name> <Name>RW04L</Name> <Longitude>7.204042</Longitude> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Longitude>7.200479</Longitude> <Approach Name="ILS04R"> <Name>CI04R</Name> <Name>RW04R</Name> <Hdg_Crs_value>042</Hdg_Crs_value> <Longitude>7.200479</Longitude> <Approach Name="LLZ04L"> <Longitude>7.010472</Longitude> <Name>RW04L</Name> <Longitude>7.204042</Longitude> <Hdg_Crs_value>044</Hdg_Crs_value> <Approach Name="LLZ04R"> <Name>NC04</Name> <Name>RW04R</Name> <Hdg_Crs_value>042</Hdg_Crs_value> <Approach Name="NDB04R.A"> <Name>RW04R</Name> <Hdg_Crs_value>042</Hdg_Crs_value> <Approach Name="NDB04R.B"> <Name>RW04R</Name> <Hdg_Crs_value>042</Hdg_Crs_value>The SID in question is OKTE5C, which appears empty. However, no SIDs showed up for 04 at all.
Japo32 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 No info inside navigraph data you mean? I see they are but separated with a comma the runways. In lemd they ere the same, and works.Philiip?
dpny Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Posted May 22, 2011 No info inside navigraph data you mean? I see they are but separated with a comma the runways. In lemd they ere the same, and works.Philiip?I don't know, Javier. All I know is that, in the plane At LMFN, there are no SIDs for 04.
Breyne Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 This probably is a navdata issue, there are other places where procedures are missing, but if you have the charts you can still fly then.
Japo32 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 Can you compare how are written (sorry cannot see my computer right now) sids in 36r and 33l of lemd compared with this one?
dpny Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Posted May 22, 2011 Can you compare how are written (sorry cannot see my computer right now) sids in 36r and 33l of lemd compared with this one?grep 36 LEMD.xml <Sid Name="BAR1AX" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.600136</Latitude> <Altitude>3600</Altitude> <Longitude>-3.557536</Longitude> <Latitude>40.438361</Latitude> <Sid Name="BAR1AY" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.640436</Latitude> <Latitude>40.438361</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Sid Name="BARD1N" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.438361</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Sid Name="BARD1W" Runways="36R"> <Latitude>40.438361</Latitude> <Sid Name="BARD1X" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.438361</Latitude> <Sid Name="BARD1Y" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.438361</Latitude> <Sid Name="CCS1AX" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.600136</Latitude> <Altitude>3600</Altitude> <Longitude>-3.557536</Longitude> <Latitude>40.438361</Latitude> <Sid Name="CCS1AY" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.640436</Latitude> <Latitude>40.438361</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Sid Name="CCS1W" Runways="36R"> <Sid Name="CCS1X" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="CCS1Y" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="CCS3N" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="CJN1AR" Runways="36R"> <Name>MD036</Name> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Latitude>40.443697</Latitude> <Sid Name="CJN1R" Runways="36R"> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Latitude>40.232436</Latitude> <Sid Name="CJN1Z" Runways="36L"> <Longitude>-3.428364</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Latitude>40.232436</Latitude> <Sid Name="NAN1AR" Runways="36R"> <Name>MD036</Name> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Latitude>40.443697</Latitude> <Sid Name="NAND1N" Runways="36L"> <Longitude>-3.428364</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Latitude>40.232436</Latitude> <Sid Name="NAND1W" Runways="36R"> <Longitude>-3.428364</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Latitude>40.232436</Latitude> <Sid Name="NAND3R" Runways="36R"> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Latitude>40.232436</Latitude> <Sid Name="NAS1AR" Runways="36R"> <Name>MD036</Name> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Sid Name="NASO1N" Runways="36L"> <Longitude>-3.428364</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Sid Name="NASO1W" Runways="36R"> <Longitude>-3.428364</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Sid Name="NASO3R" Runways="36R"> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Sid Name="PIN1AR" Runways="36R"> <Latitude>40.443697</Latitude> <Latitude>40.303936</Latitude> <Sid Name="PINA2N" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="PINA2R" Runways="36R"> <Sid Name="PINA2W" Runways="36R"> <Sid Name="RBO1AR" Runways="36R"> <Latitude>40.443697</Latitude> <Latitude>40.303936</Latitude> <Sid Name="RBO1N" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="RBO1R" Runways="36R"> <Sid Name="RBO1W" Runways="36R"> <Sid Name="SIE1AL" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.640436</Latitude> <Sid Name="SIE1NQ" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.903936</Latitude> <Sid Name="SIE1W" Runways="36R"> <Sid Name="SIE1X" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="SIE2L" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="VTB1AX" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.600136</Latitude> <Altitude>3600</Altitude> <Longitude>-3.557536</Longitude> <Sid Name="VTB1AY" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="VTB1NF" Runways="36L"> <Longitude>-3.428364</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Latitude>40.232436</Latitude> <Sid Name="VTB1XE" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="VTB1YD" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="VTB2W" Runways="36R"> <Longitude>-3.428364</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Latitude>40.232436</Latitude> <Sid Name="ZMR1AL" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.640436</Latitude> <Longitude>-4.223236</Longitude> <Sid Name="ZMR1AX" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.600136</Latitude> <Altitude>3600</Altitude> <Longitude>-3.557536</Longitude> <Longitude>-4.223236</Longitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Sid Name="ZMR1NZ" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.903936</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Sid Name="ZMR1W" Runways="36R"> <Sid Name="ZMR1XN" Runways="36L"> <Sid Name="ZMR2L" Runways="36L"> <Latitude>40.512336</Latitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Latitude>40.512336</Latitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Latitude>40.512336</Latitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.736647</Latitude> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <DMEtoIntercept>36.4</DMEtoIntercept> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <DMEtoIntercept>36.4</DMEtoIntercept> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.736647</Latitude> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Latitude>39.193672</Latitude> <Latitude>39.193672</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.736647</Latitude> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Latitude>39.193672</Latitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.736647</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.736647</Latitude> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Longitude>-2.600136</Longitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <DMEtoIntercept>36.4</DMEtoIntercept> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <Latitude>40.368678</Latitude> <DMEtoIntercept>36.4</DMEtoIntercept> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Longitude>-3.423611</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.663667</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.536195</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.360331</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Longitude>-3.703689</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.576836</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.576836</Longitude> <Latitude>40.983656</Latitude> <Longitude>-3.576836</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.493678</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.663667</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.536195</Longitude> <Longitude>-3.536195</Longitude>
dpny Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Posted May 22, 2011 This probably is a navdata issue, there are other places where procedures are missing, but if you have the charts you can still fly then.Obviously, which is what I did. However, if there are going to be issues with the nav data, it is questionable as to whether it is worth it to upgrade.
Japo32 Posted May 22, 2011 Report Posted May 22, 2011 I think is because the comma, separating both runways, but Philipp has to checkout
philipp Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 I checked and found a slight difference in the navdata format between the one I had when developing and the one now shipped. It is however easy to fix and the fix will make it into the 1.1 update.Philipp
Japo32 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Posted May 24, 2011 yes.. we stopped the release of the 1.1 version to fix this bug that I think is important. The change in navigraph data made this bug visible.. but I have tested now and now I have all the SIDS loaded (and also inside STARS)
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