Chuckfops

I'm going to let that one slide. I'm learning this all very quickly. But I don't think Carenado is replying to emails telling potential customers that their aircraft is 10.20 64bit right now, feel safe with your purchase. And at the very least, they are in the works of fixing it. And their customers can see that light at the end of the tunnel. And when they purchased their aircraft, they knew what version it was for. This small team has known about these issues now for almost 2 years. So that should be plenty of time to update 1 aircraft. Or pull it off the shelves I say. Hold themselves to a higher standard. I understand he is busy right now, with work. But I was raised in a house, where we were not allowed any excuses. And if one of us said we were hungry enough to eat a horse. You better believe someone would be grabbing a fork, a knife, and a horse for us to prove it. Rant away brother, god knows I do. hah.

I forgot to thank you for that link and your input Mario. It does help shed some light onto this subject. I think I have to agree with Aubrey in that thread, where they say: "This may be because the aircraft you're using haven't been updated to XP10 format properly. The Hydraulic datarefs changed in XP10, so some XP9 aircraft will show warning lights. I had this exact same problem with my MD-902. Try a few different aircraft, or ask the aircraft authors to update them accordingly. Hope this helps." In this case, it isn't that the aircraft is not updated properly, but more of, not at all. Just wished I would of known, before making the purchase. v10.20 64bit compatible, just meant something else to me entirely.

It looks to me, like we have a different opinion on what the term compatible means. com·pat·i·ble adjective 1. capable of existing or living together in harmony: the most compatible married couple I know. 2. able to exist together with something else: Prejudice is not compatible with true religion. 3. consistent; congruous (often followed by with ): His claims are not compatible with the facts. 4. Computers. a. (of software) capable of being run on another computer without change. b. (of hardware) capable of being connected to another device without the use of special equipment or software. 5. Electronics. (of a device, signal, etc.) capable of being used with equipment in a system without the need for special modification or conversion. Can we agree that maybe the hydraulic pressure light being on all the time may not fit under this definition completely 100%? But I assure you, the airfoils needing updated in airfoil maker does fall under the category of a special modification or conversion.. I can agree to disagree here, but at least you guys have finally claimed that the issue is fact. And not just the users error. Maybe some of my expectations are a bit high. But in your return email, you told me that it will run perfectly. Again, I must have a different opinion on the meaning of the word perfect also. If this plane is for XP 9.1, maybe it should stay there. Until these issues are ironed out. At least give your customers more of a heads up on what the correct requirements and expectations are, and more of what they should expect. It would appear less shady like this. Congrats on your job with Laminar btw. It would be very neat to work in an area that you clearly love so much. Just show your planes some update loving too please. At least update the dang airfoils for them.I am confident there will be more FSX users making their way over to X-plane. And they might find themselves, just as bewildered as I am by some of these out of date products, that you still find for sale here in this community. I dunno, maybe the community standards are just lower over here. If the milk turns out to be sour, I ain't the kind of pussy to drink it.

I don't want help. There is none to have. Not from the people it should be coming from. That is my point. I deeply thank you for wanting to help me. =) But in this case, it's time for someone to clean up their own mess.

I personally, have had nothing but issues with this aircraft. I always like to-do my homework before spending any money on a virtual item. And I made sure to cover my bases, before purchasing this aircraft. I even went as far as to email the creator of the airplane, as well as the support at X-Aviation.com http://www.x-aviatio...velin-p-50.html $20.00us I only had 1 question for them. Is this aircraft X-Plane 10, V10.20 64bit compatible? Javier replied back: "The plane has no plugin so it is perfectly compatible." and Cameron with X-Aviation replied back with: "Yes, this product will work in X-Plane 10.2 64-bit." Now in all fairness, during my homework, I had read issues with people having issues with this aircraft. But they were often 2-3 years old. Plenty of time, for them to be corrected. Or at least I hoped. Upon download and install, this aircraft will crash x-plane to desktop. Complaining that there are old outdated airfoils that need updating, before it will work. Now, being new to x-plane I had no idea what this what talking about. After much research I found that there is a update airfoil option in the Airfoil-Maker.exe. So I went ahead and did this, problem solved. Not that I understand why a developer wouldn't do this option himself, before selling an aircraft to a consumer. So, now that I had this aircraft able to be loaded. I notice a few other issues within minutes of her first test flight. First, I noticed that this aircraft, does not like to stop. Sometimes before take off, and usually on landing. And if you hit grass, forgedabbouit. I have played with this a bit, and i'm not 100% sure, but it sure does seem like the engines are set at too high of an idle. Because, I find, that if you kill the engines during landing, the craft comes to a stop no problem. Even if you have wind to your back. Is this something that could be fixed in Plane-Maker? I don't even know. Honestly, that is something I could live with. I could role-play that the engines are just way too overpowered for the aircraft, and this is intentional. Working as intended, so to speak. But the thing with this aircraft, that really bothers me is, the Hydraulic Pressure warning light is stuck on. And if you head to fails, it shows Hydraulic Pressure 1&2 in the red. I have tried several different things to try to correct this, and am unable. I read a couple other posts where this happened to others, but none of them ever came to a conclusion. So I guess, in my heart, I was hoping this was fixed already. As Javier had acknowledged this back in 2010, and claimed he was waiting for v10 to fix it. This is something I should of confirmed in my previous e-mail. Upon loading X-Plane, it claims to be an ultra-realistic flight simulator. Ultra realistic for me, is not operating an aircraft while it is showing any warning signs at all. So to me, it is something I need to fix. Yes, I have OCD. A place for everything, and everything in it's place. When I emailed them both, about compatibility, before purchase, I had a reply within 24 hours. But, I find myself waiting for 4 days, for a reply about my concerns with the aircraft. So I went ahead and emailed them again this morning. I understand mail can get lost in cyberspace sometimes. No reply from X-Aviation, but Javier had this to say: And I quote: "sorry for the delay answering... Well.. the hydraulic pressure makes any problem to you piloting the plane? It is default msg one, I guess nothing to worry about. The only thing you need is to set the number of flight solutions per frame from 1 to 2 or 3 in this aircraft." Javier has a lot of rave reviews for his CRJ-200. So I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But this reply is unacceptable. IMHO. I really want to like this aircraft, and I do admit it has a lot of potential. So close, but yet, so far away. I suppose if you have experience with AirfoilMaker and PlaneMaker these are issues you can correct yourself after purchase maybe? But should you really need to? At this time of writing, I do not, at least not yet. And find myself unhappy with my purchase. CB

Are you even referring to the same aircraft? This aircraft does not come with a 19+ page manual. And the engines run fine. It's the amount of thrust they provide at idle, or an inertia issue. I'm glad what works on your Jetstream works for you. But this is in the Javelin MK-20 area of the support forum. And your saying, that I should set the thrusters to 0% and brake on landing? Your just insulting my intelligence now. More confirmation you are discussing the wrong aircraft, as this one does not have reverse thrusters. I may be new to X-Plane, but I am not new to flight simulation. If you wish, purchase this perfect aircraft and see what your results are, then get back to me.

So, I emailed the creator again, since he ignored my first email. Here was my reply. "Hi! sorry for the delay answering... Well.. the hydraulic pressure makes any problem to you piloting the plane? It is default msg one, I guess nothing to worry about. The only thing you need is to set the number of flight solutions per frame from 1 to 2 or 3 in this aircraft." So there we go. I guess the warning light sticking on is more our problem(the consumer) than theirs(the creator). I guess it is nothing to worry about. lol!

Before purchase, I emailed to ask if this airplane was 10.20 64bit compatible. And was told that it was. After purchase, I find, clearly, it is not. First, I had to update the Airfoils in Airfoil-Maker just to get X-plane to stop crashing to desktop upon trying to load this plane. This is not even something that was mentioned to me upon inquiring about the airplane. It's not even included in the .zip package. It is something I stumbled across here on the forums. Which did work. Airplane loads now. But there are a couple of other clear issues. I have read in other posts that users have had problems getting the airplane to a stop after taking off. Usually upon landing. In one thread someone suggests to delete a couple of the .prf files out of the preferences folder. I tried this, and almost fell for it working too. But then had the issue again soon after. It is my conclusion it has nothing to do with the .prf files at all. It is something with the airplane itself. If you choose a runway for a landing with any sort of wind to your back, even a 1-2 mph wind, the plane will just not stop, and then if you hit the grassy area, you can slide like this for hours, or until a crash. Even before take off, if you get a little speed, with the wind to your back. You can forget about stopping. It almost seems like the jet motors at an idle are just a bit too high. Because I find, if you kill the engine, upon landing you can stop with no problems at all. So for me, I find myself touching down, hitting brakes and turning off the engines, in order to stop the aircraft. That doesn't bother me much, I just role-play that the motors are super powered, and make the best of it. What does drive me nuts though, is the Hydraulic Pressure Warning Light. It is stuck on. If you go to fails, you can clearly see Hydraulic 1 and 2 are having issues.. And it isn't something I can fix by entering the failure options of X-Plane. Everything shows as working in there. I cannot find a way to get this annoying light to shut off. I don't mean to offend here, but for $20.00, and the fact I tried to cover my own ass by email before purchase. These things should be in working order upon download. Not after scouring the forums, troubleshooting to a great extent, and then coming here to beg for help to fix issues, I know you know, are broken. There is a couple other threads, where someone was having this same Hydraulic Pressure Warning Light issue, and I seen they were told there is a version around, where this light is fixed. How might I find this version? And why is it not the version a person receives after sending you moneys? This airplane has a lot of potential, but it is in a dire need of some updating before going out the door to any X-plane v10 customers. CB