Rlondon

I appreciate the info, CaptCrash. I shall follow your directions and send you the files. As for any personal attacks, it was not intended to be an "attack" at all. Only to open one's eyes to an ongoing issue. Some people are not "people persons". Most tech people are not. I just thought it was me, but it is not. Irregardless, I am done with tit-for-tat. I only want to find an answer to my problem with the CL650. Thanks again for your time. Later this morning I will get you what you asked for. Be well.

I tire of your games of one-upmanship. And yes, there is an "ocean of info" to wade through. I have found the info I was looking for regarding manuals, etc. You have read what I recently wrote for assistance with a problem and yet, you still do not give answers. only trite responses. Hopefully, someone else will have the answers to my VR/CL650 questions. G'day [Links Removed - personal attacks are not appropriate] - Capt. Crash

Last year, I wasted so much time on these two modules I stopped trying to use them. Since my grandkid wants to be a pilot like me , I am trying to set this up for him to use. Now, in the past 3 days, I have wasted no less than 25 hrs on this problem so far. I finished last night at almost 10 pm after starting at 7am in the morn. I am one who does not like to waste time, but this is what is happening. Wasting time. I reformatted my 1tb drive last night. I installed ONLY the Challenger and TBM. No plugins, nothing. The Challenger kept crashing when attempting to go into VR. The TBM actually worked this time in VR. Prior, I had 3 Xplanes on the same TB but with different names. So I took this route. There were no skips, crashes or any problems visually, starting or moving around with the TBM. I am not sure of this but it seemed like it did not "update". It may have but I don't recall. With the CL650, it updates each time you re-install the module. Maybe the update is causing my problems?? I don't know? I was as surprised as you to see the Piper Aerostar. That xplane 11 copy has every damn thing in it. Other modules work fine. I have zero issues with them. Now, it is only the CL650. I figued the path to the two Xplanes (I sent the two files to you) would be sufficient but I guess it was not. Hense, the Piper Aerostar. As for the crashes, when attempting to go into VR while using the CL650, it shuts xplane 11/12 down. I get a screen that wants me to send info to Laminar. You can choose to or not. Then Xplane 11/12 shuts down and goes to desktop. I shut it down when the cursor does not show (when at the xplane board while in the hangar) up to be able to click on items. It just does not show up when using the CL650 and this will drive one nuts when that cursor disasppears and you play hell trying to get it back. Xplane's "bind a key for the cursor in VR" simply does not work. As for Cameron's email, his standard retort to a question is directing people to the forum. I would have hoped that a first-tiered "helpdesk" (if that is what he does), if they know the answer to one's question, one would hope it would be answered then. I am sure if I had intially seen that email, I followed his directions and just saw an ocean of information to wade through in an attempt to find the answers I am looking for. Not finding it, I am sure I said the hell with it. Especially since spending so much time already trying to make it work and getting pissed off. Then someone tells you to waste more time "fishing" for info. This is the old Marine in me. Someone gave me a "down vote". I could care less about any "vote" What I do care about is an answer to my questions. If this individual knew the answer to my questions, one would hope they would want to help, not critique. Below are the files from the 1tb drive with ONLY Xplane 11, CL650 and TBM 900 installed. Nothing more. Hopefully, this helps. I appreciate your insight and time dealing with these problems. If I can be of any help, please let me know. Thanks Xplane 11 fresh install log.txt.txt log.txt

Thanks for responding to my questions. I am not sure how to respond back to you. I just signed up for this forum because I was pulling my hair out trying to get this thing working... I still am pulling my hair out. I did not know that all the material you mentioned in your reponse to my queries. I still have all of my emails from someone named "Cameron" from over a year ago and not once did he mention anything regarding all of the material or even how to find it so I have not messed with these aircraft since. ANY help figuring out why this is not working would be great..and most appreciated. An 11-page full-size read & do checklist, and a 4-page compact printable checklist 34-page expanded normal operating procedures document, with explanations and screenshots on what each step is for 16-page FMS primer to get people started on using the FMS for A-to-B flights 30-page aircraft operations reference, including basic operational information, walkaround process, standard flight profiles, operations in icing, steep approaches with special supplements to specific airports and ETOPS guidance 13-page document on the FLEX/MTO feature 15-page manual on how to set up and operate the shared cockpit feature 6-page sample training scenarios + 10 pages of QRH pages pertaining to the shipped training scenarios So where do I find these? This would be most helpful. I just spend over 5 hrs installing a "fresh" and "clean' install of Xplane 11 (I want to use Xplane 12 but it keeps crashing) with nothing installed except for the CL650 and TBM 900. I tried to use my VR (with nothing else added mind you) and it still will not work in VR. You stated I should sit in the cockpit and then do VR. This does not work. It freezes xplane and takes me back to the hanger where it is hung up against the hanger door for some reason... Xplane 11 is updated. When I am not in VR, it works fine. My system has a i9-10900k Intel processor, maxed out RAM and an RTX 3090 graphics card... Log from Xplane 12.txt Log from another copy of Xplane 11 that crashes.txt

Finally got some help. Thanks!

I wrote this to X Aviation and was told to come to this forum. I am having multiple problems using the Challenger 650 in VR. Now, it just crashes Xplane 12. Good morning.I am having several problems with your aircraft in VR.1: When I try to board the stairs in VR, I end up going through theaircraft to the other side.How do I go up the stairs? Is there a better way to move around other thanusing W, A, D, S, X? I am using a Pimax 8kx. I also cannot move my head(when in VR with my Pimax on) when in the sim. I still have to rely on thekeyboard. How do I change this as to moving my head in a natural statewhen in VR outside the aircraft??I see videos of others moving freely. How do they do it so quickly??Climbing stairs, moving around the inside of the aircraft, etc..??2: Documentation??? It has been pretty much over a year since I have usedthis aircraft. Seems there has been ample time for some kind ofmanual/documentation, something other than videos made by others which donot address my problems.I have read online a lot of complaints regarding no documentation as to howto move around, settings info, aircraft info and what not. There isnothing on your website regarding any of this... There are high regardspertaining to your models but people are pissed there is NO documentation,manuals, how to do X, Y, Z...nothing....I am sure I will have more questions...Thanks for any help in these matters.Rlondon