Thanks SwissCyul I know this sounds a crazy idea.... but do you think I should read the manual???? I was only following the youtube videos, guess I need to do some more reading! Cheers! PS, I'm having a bad week...thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it!! (Seriously though, thanks, I've been watching the videos and following what others have been doing then trying to do it myself and getting into a real mess. I've done that much reading with new planes, vatsim etc etc... guess I need to put my reading glasses back on!)