Selecting an Arrival RWY with no STAR

[lehbird]

Hello:

 

If I am flying a flight plan which does not have a STAR, how do I select an arrival runway? When I try to select a runway, it says I must select a STAR first; but I do not want to use a STAR.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Dave

[philipp]

Not sure why you say it's impossible - it is actually quite common in Europe to fly RNAV transitions instead of STARs, like for example this in EDDL:

In that particular example, the DOMUX STAR is overridden by the DOMUX arrival, so the STAR isn't used. Same thing in EDDS with the BADSO STAR, and several other airports in Germany that I use regularly for testing.

 

[lehbird]

Thanks but not clear on your answer. Maybe I am not explaining well but I am saying I would like to just select an ILS or RNAV runway for my arrival but it wont let me without selecting a STAR. It says "must select STAR first" or something like that. And the flight plan I am following, which is a standard one between these 2 US cities, does not utilize a STAR.

 

Edited December 28, 2016 by lehbird

[lehbird]

Any additional thoughts on this? Thank you!

[philipp]

I understand what you mean now - I'm talking about the case where both an RNAV transition and a STAR exist from the same starting point and you want to use the RNAV transition but not the STAR. In this case, the points of the STAR are automatically overridden (deleted, actually), when you select the RNAV transition.

You can achieve the same effect for a (non-RNAV) transition to approach by selecting an arbitrary STAR, then the approach and transition, executing, then de-selecting the STAR and executing again. This is not ideal, but it does work.

The limitation "SELECT STAR FIRST" is a leftover from the 1.4 version of the CRJ, where the FMS was not as capable as it is today. With 1.6, I changed the FMS to support all that, but I never removed the scratchpad warning, despite it actually works now. The somewhat complicated solution I offered above does work in CRJ 1.6 onward, and allows you to fly an RNAV or non-RNAV transition directly to final approach without STAR.