mtmurat

Yes. Direct to the RX20 (assuming runway 20), then Execute- this pops up the VNAV magenta snowflake. *It works perfectly if you simply build and activate the Visual Approach as a primary flight plan.

In the very specific instance of when a visual approach is loaded into the secondary flight plan then activated - the “snowflake” (VNAV symbol) is not displayed.

Can you screenshot that- I’m not finding “DCA Fail” in the QRH.

The manual is correct. Track error referring to the track, not just the final. So when I’m “right downwind” just past the landing zone with a visual approach loaded, I’m not on a track at that moment. When I select Direct RX(runway number), then Nav, then VNAV, then dial the altitude selector to zero, my newly defined track is from my point to the RX fix- without error, so the airplane turns right and the Vnav snowflake appears. At this point, if I’m above the snowflake, I can select VS (appears as VVS on the scoreboard) and command down (pitch works too), and this is the beautiful thing with PL21- you can “dive to intercept a vnav profile”.

I hear what you are saying- I’m quite familiar with these. I have one persistent scenario saved- in holding at SKOTT intersection near KGPI, 13,000’ (200knots, 0*c). If I launch this state regularly it will open with everything working. If I open it after a few weeks, then it’s likely to be unstable. This instability manifests itself as the aforementioned Temp probe yellow dashes (and I’ve tried QRH 2 guidance, turning switches off for a time, ect), sometimes all 4 screens are black (but work when they are popped out), or more recently I noticed the oscillating pitch that was previously mentioned. I am certainly not upset, just trying to share user observations for your information. This is why my go-to is always start in the non persistent state. This is much more realistic from a pilots point of view, reinforces checklist discipline and to my knowledge I have never experienced glitches when starting this way. If you like, I’m happy to share more info the next time I see something weird.?

Re: Yellow dashed out TAT indications. I am aware of all that as I fly this plane in real life. XP CL650 temps only yellow dashed out for me when I load a saved scenario. It could be one that starts on the ground or in flight. Right from the get go, they are dashed out and cannot be restored- even if the probe heats are in the off position on the ground. I’ve tried introducing failures and clearing them- all to no avail. This is why I prefer starting from a standalone cold dark airplane- never seem to have issues with that.

I have noticed this too. As mentioned in a previous post- saved scenarios (in-flight) often breed weird behavior like this. Especially if it’s been a few days since you launched the scenario. Oft problems like this include: FMS loses all Perf Init and Flight Plans PFDs and MFDs all black (but you can pop them out and this work fine) TAT on PFDs is dashed out yellow Oscillations in pitch that an dynamically unstable- often unrecoverable. All VNAV becomes unusable. I use three machines/ three copies of XP12 and CL650: I7 9700K, 4070 Ti Super homebuilt ASUS I9/ 4070 Super gaming laptop MacBook Pro M4 On a positive note- starting from cold dark airplane seems to always work fine. This is exactly like the real airplane, so I’m not bothered by it.

Re: Altimeter- the sim tends to get a bit stupid after a few visits in persistent mode- I prefer to sets cold dark each time to avoid that. On a positive note, I’m real good at tweaking all my prefs though- lol. *also- lots of times in persistent mode, the temperature indicators in the PFD are yellow dashed out…

Thanks for quick reply. I’ve done it in the real airplane at KAFW (34R) and KGPI (20). KGPI, setup ILS 02, SKOTT transition. Keep it in Nav/Vnav until a few miles from HOTRU. Sec flight plan: Setup Visual to runway 02, modify it to give a 3 mile final. Put PLAN screen on MFD 2 and leave FMS 2 displaying Sec flight plan. (You should see the Activate button on lower right corner. Do not activate it yet. Fixes are RX02 (twice) and RW02. Now you are looking at ILS02 on MFD/ FMS 1, and the Visual to 20 on MFD/FMS 2. Approaching HOTRU, select APPR to arm the approach and set 4500’. Airplane switches to green needles and starts down on the ILS. You should be gear down, flaps 30, 150knots. Once decent is established, switch to HDG/ VS and switch NAV source to magenta/ long range nav. Airplane will capture 4500’ (pattern altitude on a clear day). Turn HDG left about 20 degrees and head toward downwind. On FMS 2, Activate the Visual approach/ Sec flight plan. (For good SA, I have previously put a 3nm fix off of RW20- dashed blue circle). When almost abeam and about 2.5nm from RX20, select NAV, VNAV, Alt selector to Zero. Airplane turns to the fix and SHOULD display magenta VNAV reference with snowflake (in the sim, instead of making a Sec flight plan, if I replace the ILS with the visual, I get the reference/ snowflake, when swapping flight plans, I do not). If you are high, VS down to intercept the VPATH. She flies a picture perfect visual. So. Replacing the ILS when on the downwind works, but swapping flight plans provides no vertical reference, only lateral. Swapping the flight plans is preferred as it’s fewer button presses in the pattern plus the first flight plans (ILS 02) now becomes Sec so if you need that for the miss, you can simply activate it. I go to KGPI all the time and circle to 20 about half the time, this is really helpful. Gotta make it 3nm to keep you away from the rocks. Works left or right downwind.

The FMS and VNAV are superb. One thing I noticed (and I do this in the real plane), if one flies an ILS or RNAV with intent to circle, I like to build the visual approach to the intended runway of landing in a secondary flight plan. I switch to HDG/ ALT to begin the circle, then activate the SEC flight plan (visual), go Direct to the RX fix, then select Nav/VNAV, dial the Alt selector to zero, (adjust with VVS is above vertical profile) then the jet flies a picture perfect visual approach (one can assign speeds to the visual fixes also to let ARS handle that). In Version 1.8, it will do this, BUT when activating it in this manner, VNAV does not work. The workaround is to build the Visual in the Active flight plan but don’t activate it until committed to circle- in this scenario it’s all there, VNAV and all. The benefit of doing it the first way is that the original approach then becomes Secondary and can be activated promptly in the event of needing the published Miss. On the request front, can we start with the Altimeter in Baro? I'm happy to answer real world CL650 questions or to beta test new versions. I have three copies on three machines- 2 Windows PCs and a M4 MacBook Pro. I fly S/N 5911- technically a 60( but with the PL21 Advanced, HUD and triple IRS/FMS.

Thank you- I don’t mess with any third party apps or scripts. Having the popup instruments on extra monitors has worked perfectly so far- flawless in fact. I had to do a manual delete of all files left behind by the uninstall to get the CL650 back to a fresh install. Hope that doesn’t happen again. If it does, I’ll try to delete that folder and post logs here. Thanks for the advice!

Love this simulator! I’m waiting to get typed on this aircraft and this is an amazing study and familiarization aid. Two questions: - Can someone post or send me a Discord invite? All the ones I’ve found are “invalid or expired” - Is there an easy way to reset this without doing a full uninstall/ reinstall? I’ve had two bad glitches (pop out panel gets lost when dragging onto another screen, primary screen PFDs and MFDs are completely blank- but work fine on additional screens). I’ve tried restarting, opening in a previously saved stage, restarting PC, etc. nothing except full uninstall and reinstall fixes these issues. *My primary screen is a 75” LG TV, with ViewSonic 24” and 22” touchscreen additional monitors. PC is a I7-9700K, 32GB RAM, Gigabyte 4070 Ti Super graphics card with 16GB of VRAM. X-Plane 12. Latest version of HotStart Challenger 650. (PIC shows normal operation before the fail)

Thank you- Let me go back and try that, been saving from the XP12 side. Either I don't have documentation or I haven't found it yet. I'd love an invite to the Discord channel- seems there it lots of activity there.

So I'm a corporate pilot about to go to initial training on the Challenger 650. First off, Bravo for doing such a great job on this sim model. Using Bombardier checklists I am able to fly this model just fine. My question has to do with saving situations and documentation. I've saved my situations at various stages of my flight, but no matter what, when I launch X-Plane into any situation, I always wind up in the FBO lobby with a cold dark airplane. Surely I am missing something? Isn't there a way to start this without it always being a cold dark airplane> Secondly, I've not found any documentation about this sim model. Does any exist that might explain various settings? Thanks