im sorry you misunderstood me. my original copy was thru steam. so I bought a second copy direct from xplane website. I did not purchase a second tbm. just two copies of xplane. I did not do anything my way ive done exactly what you guys have suggested with the same results. the fresh install has no plug ins. none. same results. turning down all settings same results. so I just really give up. life is to frustrating right now to continue to let this frustrate me any further. I do appreciate the help though really thanks.