Gizmo64 causing frame drops up to 15 frames

[Fear4u2envy]

Today I spent 3 hours figuring out why all of a sudden my FPS would be in the high 30's to dropping to the low 20's. I found a plugin in my plugins folder that was causing the problem. please help. I made this video showing what happens.

https://youtu.be/z89-NYy8t3s

Edited November 28, 2017 by Steven Pow

[Ben Russell]

Gizmo64 provides DRM services to SkyMAXX as well as various other products.

It's also the core of some of our aircraft. (IXEG, Saab, etc.)

 

Here's my take;

1:45 Gizmo is disabled. FPS is 38.

SkyMAXX is in unlicensed mode and not rendering. No FPS hit from SkyMAXX.

 

1:52 You have re-enabled Gizmo. After a minor load-in FPS hit you're back at ~34.

SkyMAXX is still in unlicensed mode. The DRM query is periodic and takes a few seconds to kick in.

 

1:56 Four seconds after enabling Gizmo. Your FPS is at 25.

SkyMAXX is now in licensed mode. Has loaded its effects and is now costing you FPS.

 

2:23 You change plugin tabs to reveal SkyMAXX Pro. It is enabled. FPS is 25.

 

2:29 You have disabled SkyMAXX Pro. FPS is 37.

SkyMAXX pro is not rendering its weather effects. The plugin is disabled. There is no FPS cost.

 

 

 

[shabani]

Gizmo64 provides DRM services to SkyMAXX as well as various other products.

It's also the core of some of our aircraft. (IXEG, Saab, etc.)

 

Here's my take;

1:45 Gizmo is disabled. FPS is 38.

SkyMAXX is in unlicensed mode and not rendering. No FPS hit from SkyMAXX.

 

1:52 You have re-enabled Gizmo. After a minor load-in FPS hit you're back at ~34.

SkyMAXX is still in unlicensed mode. The DRM query is periodic and takes a few seconds to kick in.

 

1:56 Four seconds after enabling Gizmo. Your FPS is at 25.

SkyMAXX is now in licensed mode. Has loaded its effects and is now costing you FPS.

 

2:23 You change plugin tabs to reveal SkyMAXX Pro. It is enabled. FPS is 25.

 

2:29 You have disabled SkyMAXX Pro. FPS is 37.

SkyMAXX pro is not rendering its weather effects. The plugin is disabled. There is no FPS cost.

 

 

 

I have the IXEG and of course I would prefer to have better fps. If Gizmo64 is disabled, will I still be able to fly with the IXEG 737-300 Classic?

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[JGregory]

1 hour ago, shabani said:

If Gizmo64 is disabled, will I still be able to fly with the IXEG 737-300 Classic?

No.

[Fear4u2envy]

4 hours ago, Ben Russell said:

Gizmo64 provides DRM services to SkyMAXX as well as various other products.

It's also the core of some of our aircraft. (IXEG, Saab, etc.)

 

Here's my take;

1:45 Gizmo is disabled. FPS is 38.

SkyMAXX is in unlicensed mode and not rendering. No FPS hit from SkyMAXX.

 

1:52 You have re-enabled Gizmo. After a minor load-in FPS hit you're back at ~34.

SkyMAXX is still in unlicensed mode. The DRM query is periodic and takes a few seconds to kick in.

 

1:56 Four seconds after enabling Gizmo. Your FPS is at 25.

SkyMAXX is now in licensed mode. Has loaded its effects and is now costing you FPS.

 

2:23 You change plugin tabs to reveal SkyMAXX Pro. It is enabled. FPS is 25.

 

2:29 You have disabled SkyMAXX Pro. FPS is 37.

SkyMAXX pro is not rendering its weather effects. The plugin is disabled. There is no FPS cost.

 

 

 

That’s a shame because I really liked sky max pro but I’m not going to use a program who’s DRM Drops my FPS by 15 frames. They should have a disclaimer explaining this on their website before you buy there product. 

[JohnMAXX]

32 minutes ago, Steven Pow said:

That’s a shame because I really liked sky max pro but I’m not going to use a program who’s DRM Drops my FPS by 15 frames. They should have a disclaimer explaining this on their website before you buy there product. 

Steven,

Take the time to read Ben's last post again......His explanation is spot on and thoroughly explains what you are seeing...

Furthermore you may need to take the time to configure SMP to work with your installation of XP and your hardware....There are no free rides....

Performance highly depends on what add ons you are using in conjunction with SMP along with drivers and xp rendering settings.....

It's a process for sure but one that's nessary and unique for everybody....

[Cameron]

51 minutes ago, Steven Pow said:

That’s a shame because I really liked sky max pro but I’m not going to use a program who’s DRM Drops my FPS by 15 frames.

The DRM did not drop your FPS by 15 frames. You increased your frames when you disabled SkyMaxx Pro's ability to render clouds and your sky went clear blue, thereby allowing X-Plane to increase its FPS because it didn't have 3D clouds to fill your sky with.

[Fear4u2envy]

 OK so I just got an answer back from the developers website basically saying that what I was seeing was not what I thought I saw and it’s fine if I was wrong not a problem  i’ll always admit when I was wrong and I’ll be taking the video offline. my thing is I bought this program after watching one of the videos that was put up on YouTube  

about SkyMaxx Pro and on the video one of the first segments was about how it really did not affect the frames. whether it be DRM whatever the case. it doesn’t matter to me I bought this program on the aspects that it wouldn’t drop my frames and it did so am I wrong for being a little upset.  And don’t get me wrong  even after watching the video I expected my frames to drop a little like three or four that would be fine but it dropped it by almost 13 FPS.  You know how many people would kill to get that many frames back on your Sim.  In conclusion like I said before, I did a lot of research between this program and Xenviro and I believed that skyMaxx Pro was a better choice and I still do.  I just didn’t expect my frames to tank especially after watching their video. 

[Cameron]

10 minutes ago, Steven Pow said:

about SkyMaxx Pro and on the video one of the first segments was about how it really did not affect the frames. whether it be DRM whatever the case. it doesn’t matter to me I bought this program on the aspects that it wouldn’t drop my frames and it did so am I wrong for being a little upset.

You really did not soak in what was said in this Mythbusting video, and you're taking it out of context big time.

In the video, Frank said this word for word:

“So where did this myth come from? Well, a lot of times when you push your system too hard, you’ve just installed too many things into your simulator at once, and that will bring your system to its knees. You only have so much memory on your PC, you only have so much video memory on your graphics card, and if you install too many add-ons, or too much custom scenery or HD Mesh and things like that, eventually you’re going to hit that wall. And a lot of times for people, SkyMaxx Pro is the thing that pushes you over that edge. It’s kinda the straw that broke the camels back. But, that doesn’t mean that SkyMaxx Pro itself is slow, it just means that you’ve installed too much stuff on your PC.”

It's at this point in the video: https://youtu.be/6Pl4j855W40?t=87

 

[Fear4u2envy]

2 hours ago, Cameron said:

You really did not soak in what was said in this Mythbusting video, and you're taking it out of context big time.

In the video, Frank said this word for word:

“So where did this myth come from? Well, a lot of times when you push your system too hard, you’ve just installed too many things into your simulator at once, and that will bring your system to its knees. You only have so much memory on your PC, you only have so much video memory on your graphics card, and if you install too many add-ons, or too much custom scenery or HD Mesh and things like that, eventually you’re going to hit that wall. And a lot of times for people, SkyMaxx Pro is the thing that pushes you over that edge. It’s kinda the straw that broke the camels back. But, that doesn’t mean that SkyMaxx Pro itself is slow, it just means that you’ve installed too much stuff on your PC.”

It's at this point in the video: https://youtu.be/6Pl4j855W40?t=87

 

Hey Cameron, I hope you don’t think that I am bashing this program, I love this program and have been recommending it to everyone. my original post ar anythere after were never meant as a bashing. If they came out like that I do apologize. Is there any file that I can send you that can show you what’s going on? 

The only thing I have installed is

1. Xplane 11

2. Zibo mod for default 737

3. skyMaxx Pro with weather connector 

4.  better pushback

5.  6 airports from mister x

6. Xp realistic

7. Landing speed

8. Rass

9. Airfoil labs eclipse 550Ng

i have no mesh installed no ortho nothing else  could one of these programs be an issue?

 

[Ben Russell]

1 hour ago, Steven Pow said:

Hey Cameron, I hope you don’t think that I am bashing this program, I love this program and have been recommending it to everyone. my original post ar anythere after were never meant as a bashing. If they came out like that I do apologize. Is there any file that I can send you that can show you what’s going on? 

The only thing I have installed is

1. Xplane 11

2. Zibo mod for default 737

3. skyMaxx Pro with weather connector 

4.  better pushback

5.  6 airports from mister x

6. Xp realistic

7. Landing speed

8. Rass

9. Airfoil labs eclipse 550Ng

i have no mesh installed no ortho nothing else  could one of these programs be an issue?

 

Steve.

I've spent hundreds of hours shaving microseconds from Gizmo's code to save people FPS.

Please stop causing trouble spreading wrong interpretation of obvious facts. You are wrong in your analysis.

Sincerely annoyed.

Ben.

 

 

microsecond

ˈmʌɪkrə(ʊ)ˌsɛkənd/

noun

 

1. one millionth of a second.

 

[MuffNick]

I also have a massive stutter problem. The cause is probably to be found in the Gizmo64 plugin. To show the phenomenon, I recorded a complete flight from KSBP to KFAT with the Toliss A319 and the ORBX South California SD Scenery. If you don't feel like looking at the entire 50-minute flight, you can select three timestamps at which the problem becomes very obvious. An extremely smooth flight with high graphic settings temporarily turns into a stuttering that is almost unbearable. The timestamps are at 20:00, 27:00 and 34:00 ... after that I deactivated the Gizmo64 plug-in in flight to get a reasonable approach to KFAT. After about 20-30 minutes, the plugin starts doing something every 7 minutes, which leads to massive fps drops (at 34:00 the fun costs up to 22 fps at the top).

Here is the link to the video: Gizmo64 plugin causes fps stutter ...

Best regards, Gerson Nerger

[Cameron]

19 minutes ago, MuffNick said:

I also have a massive stutter problem. The cause is probably to be found in the Gizmo64 plugin. To show the phenomenon, I recorded a complete flight from KSBP to KFAT with the Toliss A319 and the ORBX South California SD Scenery. If you don't feel like looking at the entire 50-minute flight, you can select three timestamps at which the problem becomes very obvious. An extremely smooth flight with high graphic settings temporarily turns into a stuttering that is almost unbearable. The timestamps are at 20:00, 27:00 and 34:00 ... after that I deactivated the Gizmo64 plug-in in flight to get a reasonable approach to KFAT. After about 20-30 minutes, the plugin starts doing something every 7 minutes, which leads to massive fps drops (at 34:00 the fun costs up to 22 fps at the top).

Here is the link to the video: Gizmo64 plugin causes fps stutter ...

Best regards, Gerson Nerger

1. What version of Gizmo are you running?

2. What are your SkyMaxx Pro real weather settings?

[MuffNick]

Thank you very much for you reply. Here is the requested information ...

 

[Cameron]

Can you test your theory with SkyMaxx Pro removed?

[MuffNick]

Sure. I'll do it tomorrow and let you know ...

[MuffNick]

The uninstallation of Skymaxx Pro did not improve the stutter ... Gizmo64 plugin causes fps stutter (part 2) ...

Best regards, Gerson Nerger

[Cameron]

I just thought about this some more.

 

I think we need to wait this one out. At the moment some people are experiencing a bug in Vulkan that is causing FPS loss and stutters. This is the most likely situation at the moment.

[MuffNick]

Unfortunately, it's not the most likely situation right now as I'm running XP 11.50 on a brand new iMac with Metal. Check out both videos: You will see exactly the same pattern in both videos. After about 25 minutes of real running time of XP 11.50 (about 20 minutes in the video because I didn't film the cockpit preparation) the stutterers set in, last 1-2 minutes and repeat about every 7 minutes. After exiting the Gizmo64 plugin, the Sim continues to run smoothly. Because it always runs in the same temporal manner, there must be something in the Gizmo64 program code that runs for the first time after approx. 25 minutes and is then repeated in a loop. I can also repeat the flight and film the Gizmo Console for 50 minutes, maybe this will reveal the secret of what the plugin does again and again during the flight (I could have guessed it earlier) ...

Best regards, Gerson Nerger

[Cameron]

I have not observed this behavior, but will look out for it. I exclusively run Mac. There is definitely nothing that runs every 20 minutes or in a loop in the scenario you have running product wise. Gizmo sits static.

@Ben Russell may have some kind of an idea, but I don't myself at this point. Also not getting reports about it.

The topic you replied to here is from 2017 and not relevant.

[MuffNick]

Do you have any other ideas how I can isolate the error? The fact is, if I deactivate the Gizmo64 plugin in XP11.50, the behavior shown in both videos does not happen, that Gizmo64 does anything that costs the simulator a lot of fps and then the entire simulator runs very badly.

[Ben Russell]

57 minutes ago, MuffNick said:

Do you have any other ideas how I can isolate the error? The fact is, if I deactivate the Gizmo64 plugin in XP11.50, the behavior shown in both videos does not happen, that Gizmo64 does anything that costs the simulator a lot of fps and then the entire simulator runs very badly.

Please upload a copy of your Log.txt file so we can see what you have installed.

[MuffNick]

Here is the last log.txt ...

Log.txt

[MuffNick]

Two screenshots showing the normal and the abnormal state of Gizmo64 in the plugin admin of XP 11.50 (look at the flight loop section) ...

Log.txt

Edited November 7, 2020 by MuffNick

[MuffNick]

Can someone explain to me what Gizmo64 does inflight? My understanding of Gizmo64 so far is that it offers DRM for various add-ons. The processes required for this could - in my opinion - be carried out while loading these add-ons in the sim. But what must be carried out inflight which - in the worst case - as in my case, can massively reduce performance?

Best regards, Gerson Nerger