HarryCYUL Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) http://www.x-plane.com/2014/07/x-plane-10-is-coming-to-steam/ Edited July 8, 2014 by HarryCYUL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marconius Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 So they found a way to handle 80+gig downloads?I think its great news because steam has millions of pc gamers and a certain % will be interested in simulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlaHaldor Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 So.. um.. Is there a plan for those of us who purchased on DVD to get a Steam key to activate there? That would be awesome. If not, I won't be purchasing it again just to get it on Steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ointment Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) So.. um.. Is there a plan for those of us who purchased on DVD to get a Steam key to activate there? That would be awesome. If not, I won't be purchasing it again just to get it on Steam.Serious question: if you already have it on DVD, what would be the point or benefit of playing it on Steam? Edited July 8, 2014 by ointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orcair Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Serious question: if you already have it on DVD, what would be the point or benefit of playing it on Steam? not needing the disk in your dvd tray to use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlaHaldor Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) Not needing the DVD just to run the simulator. Always have an up to date simulator without giving it a thought. Be able to download and install on other computers, if I'm say, at a friends house hours away who'd like to know what it's about, without me bringing the big bad computer case with me on the train. Or plane.. Chat in-sim with other pilots a heck of a lot easier than now. In the long run, perhaps this will make for a GOOD and reliable way of "multi player" without the need for 3rd party tools, port forwarding and sharing IP addresses. Edited July 8, 2014 by OlaHaldor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jettojig Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Holy moley this is big news! I really hope there's a way for us current users to quickly integrate things, don't want to be installing a whole new version for it!'d expect steam keys are a given... Edited July 9, 2014 by jiggyb2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Kallinen Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I don`t need a DVD in the tray with my USB key. As for STEAM, its a deadly infection that will never invade another one of my Computers.And if X-Plane begins to require Steam to update, Its over. Been an active X-Plane user since Nov. 99. Will never submit to STEAM again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Russell Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 So.. um.. Is there a plan for those of us who purchased on DVD to get a Steam key to activate there? That would be awesome. If not, I won't be purchasing it again just to get it on Steam. Stop and consider the logistics of this for a minute... Multiple third party X-P vendors, all with different data disclosure policies and laws that may completely prevent any sharing of customer details with Laminar. Thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of existing customers... And probably a steam purchase percentage slice to pay Valve to take into account as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yidahoo Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) I don`t need a DVD in the tray with my USB key. As for STEAM, its a deadly infection that will never invade another one of my Computers.And if X-Plane begins to require Steam to update, Its over. Been an active X-Plane user since Nov. 99. Will never submit to STEAM again.But you already have X-Plane, so whats the problem? Nobody is forcing you to use Steam, its just another option that opens the door to a huge audience of potential customers. Most of whom, like myself, do not have a problem with Steam Edited July 9, 2014 by Yidahoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wim1976 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 For me or becomes a problem, if Steam becomes the only option. As long as I can get X-plane on the traditional way, it is okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlaHaldor Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Out of curiosity, what do you guys think is wrong with Steam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCYUL Posted July 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Out of curiosity, what do you guys think is wrong with Steam?nothing wrong with it, it's great! i don't understand the hate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggerm Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Out of curiosity, what do you guys think is wrong with Steam? Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. Any downloading method might not be the ideal distribution vehicle for a game which spans 8 dual-layer DVDs, but its otherwise just fine. Never had any issues with it or the titles I've purchased via Steam. From an X-Plane perspective, I'd expect Steam to bring in lots of newbies, which historically has tested the patience of various forums and help communities. It will be interesting to see how it goes. In the end I can't imagine it being anything but a positive for the platform, however it won't be without it's bumps and dust-ups. -Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bsupnik Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Hi Guys, To answer a few question:- No, you don't get a free Steam license if you own the DVDs. (Please note that with DVDs, they don't have to be in the tray all the time - we only check for the DVD every few days.) It is not my expectation that anyone would "repurchase" the product. - As of this time, our plan is to update steam with final versions but not betas, so if you need to run a full version of the beta, you should probably stick with DVD or USB. - The update experience for non-beta users should be VERY similar between steam and LR's own update: you get an auto-updated pushed to you when a full release version is available. So both DVD and Steam customers will get all of the free updates for the entire v10 version run. - The steam product is the same as X-Plane 10 global on DVD - the whole sim, the whole world, and you install what you want. (For Steam, I think you'll be able to download regions later or separately, and for the DVD we've had add/remove scenery and the option to NOT install everything up front for a logn time.) The pricing should be similar. - My understanding is that third party add-ons can be installed into the Steam version just like the DVD version - just drag a scenery pack, aircraft folder, or plugin folder into the right place. For both Steam and DVDs, third parties have to roll their own DRM if they want copy protection; the sim's copy protection is not available to third parties. cheersBen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sizziano Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. Any downloading method might not be the ideal distribution vehicle for a game which spans 8 dual-layer DVDs, but its otherwise just fine. Never had any issues with it or the titles I've purchased via Steam. From an X-Plane perspective, I'd expect Steam to bring in lots of newbies, which historically has tested the patience of various forums and help communities. It will be interesting to see how it goes. In the end I can't imagine it being anything but a positive for the platform, however it won't be without it's bumps and dust-ups. -Greg Haha XP forums and the patience of some of their users are tested regularly without steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlaHaldor Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Hi Guys, To answer a few question:- No, you don't get a free Steam license if you own the DVDs. (Please note that with DVDs, they don't have to be in the tray all the time - we only check for the DVD every few days.) It is not my expectation that anyone would "repurchase" the product.Thanks for clarifying that. So what price range are we talking about for the Steam release then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Russell Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Thanks for clarifying that. So what price range are we talking about for the Steam release then? From X-Plane.com: "Then, going forward, X-Plane 10 and all “final” updates will be available on Steam. Pricing will be the same as it is on our site." From Ben Supniks post:"The pricing should be similar." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlaHaldor Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Sorry. I must be blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich0 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Obviously v10 has been around for a while, so long-term upgrade path needs to be considered as the free updates will probably end when v11 comes along. I realize that nobody is going to want to promise too much in writing, but will Steam purchasers get the same basic treatment as DVD purchasers when it comes to upgrade pricing/etc (assuming there is any)? I'm not sure if Steam has a way to handle upgrade vs full sales. Again, I realize that nobody can promise when v10 will end, whether there will be upgrade pricing, who qualifies for it, etc. I'm mainly just looking for intent to support Steam equivalently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wim1976 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Out of curiosity, what do you guys think is wrong with Steam? I have no problem with X-Plane on Steam, but with all shooters and other games with a bad morale. To prevent our family from aggressive games we use an internet-filter. And that filter blocks Steam because with their site it is all or nothing. In our case: nothing. Thats why I hope X-Plane will also be available on the traditional way. Edited July 9, 2014 by wim1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGregory Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Obviously v10 has been around for a while, so long-term upgrade path needs to be considered as the free updates will probably end when v11 comes along. I realize that nobody is going to want to promise too much in writing, but will Steam purchasers get the same basic treatment as DVD purchasers when it comes to upgrade pricing/etc (assuming there is any)? I'm not sure if Steam has a way to handle upgrade vs full sales. Again, I realize that nobody can promise when v10 will end, whether there will be upgrade pricing, who qualifies for it, etc. I'm mainly just looking for intent to support Steam equivalently. I have no problem with X-Plane on Steam, but with all shooters and other games with a bad morale. To prevent our family from aggressive games we use an internet-filter. And that filter blocks Steam because with their site it is all or nothing. In our case: nothing. Thats why I hope X-Plane will also be available on the traditional way. You guys really need to read the entire thread… the answers are available…see post #16 from Ben Supnik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich0 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 You guys really need to read the entire thread… the answers are available…see post #16 from Ben Supnik. I read it before I replied. Post #16 makes no mention of upgrade pricing - only that all updates to v10 would be free. I was referring to any preferential pricing when upgrading to v11, assuming there is any. That is, if one customer buys X-Plane v10 on Aug 1st on DVD, and another buys it on Steam, and v11 comes out, would they both have the same pricing to upgrade to v11? I appreciate that nobody can say when that will be, or what customers will qualify for upgrade pricing (maybe only those ordering v10 after a certain date), but I just want to understand if Steam will get the same treatment. I don't think I've ever seen upgrade pricing on Steam, so I wasn't sure if their store supported this. Otherwise, I consider Steam a major convenience! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airfighter Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 That is, if one customer buys X-Plane v10 on Aug 1st on DVD, and another buys it on Steam, and v11 comes out, would they both have the same pricing to upgrade to v11? I appreciate that nobody can say when that will be, or what customers will qualify for upgrade pricing (maybe only those ordering v10 after a certain date), but I just want to understand if Steam will get the same treatment. I'm not Austin or Ben Supnik but... there will not be any kind upgrade from v10. As was not such thing from v9 to v10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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