James Britnell Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Hello, I'd like to make some enquires regarding the Ice Protection System. In X-plane I have configured Data Input & Output to display icing status 1 and icing status 2. I have noticed that the values for aoa, aoa and rwing are not being cleared by the system. The values aoa and aoa I guess refer to the angle-of-attack transmitters, which, I understand, would be activated by the STBY PITOT switch being set to ON. The rwing value, presumably refering to the right wing, would be activated by placing the AUTO CYCLING switch in either the CONT or ONE CYCLE positions. In the case of the other datarefs, the system works admirably, the lwing value changing in sync with the W INB inflation cycle is a particuarly nice touch. I'm presuming the system should be clearing these values, though, perhaps I am misunderstanding something. I have attached some screenshots which I hope will be of some assistance. Thank-you very much for your time, and to all involved in the making of this fabulous aircraft. I hope all of your hard work is justly rewarded. I am enjoying the aircraft immensely. James Britnell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Britnell Posted September 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 My apologies, apparently I'm having some trouble with the screenshots. James Britnell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGregory Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 James, I have found a couple of issues regarding the ice protection that will be corrected in the next update. I am in contact with Laminar regarding other ice related issues, which I will address as soon as I hear back from them. Thanks for the feedback, we appreciate it. Note: Due to X-Planes limited ice protection capability and our wish to simulate the Saab anti-ice as accurately as possible, the AOA (CoPilot) will not have anti-ice capability. This allows us to provide expanded functionality elsewhere in the ice protection simulation. JimLead ProgrammerLES Saab 340A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Britnell Posted September 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Hello, Thank-you very much for your reply, your hard work is appreciated. Ok, so the two aoa datarefs are Pilot and Co-pilot respectively I guess. Thanks for the explanation regarding the Co-pilots aoa, makes sense to me. James Britnell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGregory Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 James, I have heard back from Laminar and the anti-ice system should now be working as designed. Watch for the next update for these changes. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Britnell Posted October 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Hello, Thanks very much for following this up, and a big thanks for posting back. I shall consider this matter resolved. Thanks again, James Britnell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsnapp Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Are the updates referred to in this thread available yet? It is an icing time of year, and I am running into icing conditions when flying the Saab. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Are the updates referred to in this thread available yet? It is an icing time of year, and I am running into icing conditions when flying the Saab. :-) No sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfreak2106 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Hi, are icing-related stalls simulated? I just had a stall and crash in icing conditions. I had basically all anti- and de-ice components on at max, speed and AOA were correct, flaps at 7 degrees at about 150 kts, but the plane simply seemed to start falling out of the sky with a right side spiral and I totally lost control, crashing way before the runway. Tried it again - made it above 10,000 ft to turn off some of the anti-ice systems - when I turned the boots off, the aircraft started to fall out of the sky again, almost. Edited January 10, 2014 by xfreak2106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGregory Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 We did not model anything special regarding stalls. I assume what you are experiencing is stock X-Plane's handling of stalls. And yes, excessive ice will cause a stall. And…. even with ice protection on you are NOT guaranteed that you will not accumulate ICE and therefore stall the aircraft. Get out of the clouds/icing conditions or risk ice accumulation and the potential hazards that come with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfreak2106 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Ok, thanks for letting me know. I read that the X-Plane ice accumulation on flight surfaces is excessive and too fast, so that probably has something to do with it as well. Hope Laminar solves the problem. Generates a challenging situation with overcast clouds and freezing temperatures on the ground when leveling off at low altitudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb65912 Posted January 10, 2014 Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Sometimes it is not nice so if you want to save the flight, assign a key to anti- ice or de-ice ( do not have X-Plane running now) and when you see the excessive ice symptoms, just hit the key. I know it is not exactly how it should work but since we know that icing is over modeled in X-Plane, that might be the way to go. Cheers, AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaps Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I too just ran into icing problems with version 1.1. I checked the icing data ( just before I crashed ) and the right aoa and right wing had a value of .632. All others were 0.0. All de-icing was on and at max. I was landing through clouds and snowing at the time , but strange that only the right side had ice?? FYI, just in case you thought it was fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb65912 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 It is the X-Plane problem, quite well known.LES Saab340A has nothing to fix in that area.There are two options I am aware of1. Do not say long in icing conditions2. Use X-Plane deice command.Cheers, AJ :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaps Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Why only the right side then? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb65912 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 No idea, I was talking about X-Plane icing in general. I had that problem with few other high end payware airplanes and they all crashed no matter what anti/deicing systems were used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaps Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 See the note below from JGregory in this thread Note: Due to X-Planes limited ice protection capability and our wish to simulate the Saab anti-ice as accurately as possible, the AOA (CoPilot) will not have anti-ice capability. This allows us to provide expanded functionality elsewhere in the ice protection simulation. It looks like the designers have taken the right side data for their own use. I like flying in real weather so I'll have to give your suggestion to program a button to de-ice on a try.Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arb65912 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Have fun, Chaps. That is what I did, I key just activates de-ice when things go wild. Cheers, AJ :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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